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tatortot1969 · Pair Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 27

PokerStars Game #6934112917: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/07 - 19:45:20 (ET)
Table 'Belinda III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: undeuxtrois ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 2: tatortot1969 ($27.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Riverboat45 ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 4: theckdis ($76.40 in chips)
Seat 5: filipachino ($29.35 in chips)
Seat 6: ro_scythe ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Draughts ($56.90 in chips)
Seat 8: Swooshman1 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 9: SmplyBst ($20.10 in chips)
undeuxtrois: posts small blind $0.10
tatortot1969: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tatortot1969 [3h 5c Qh 4h]
Riverboat45: calls $0.25
theckdis: folds
filipachino: calls $0.25
ro_scythe: folds
Draughts: folds
Swooshman1: folds
SmplyBst: folds
undeuxtrois: calls $0.15
tatortot1969: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2s Ah]
undeuxtrois: checks

Now what would you do?

Thank You,

Tatortot1969

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:

How aggressive are your opponents? Do they tend to bet out when they catch anything? Are the calling stations?

If you answer very to the first, bet out between half pot and pot hoping to get raised, if you do, re the pot. If yes to the second question, check-raise the pot. If yes to the third, bet out the pot. If no to all, bet half pot, and hope you get raised.

krazybangs · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

Check. You still have nothing other than a nut flush draw really.

Someone bets with Aces up you can call depending on pot odds. At this limit, people dont raise enough preflop nor choose the best starting hands. But by betting you allow someone with trips or a higher straight draw to raise you.

You hold some of your outs as well so you have to take that into consideration given your position. If it checks around and you get a free card then you can bet if you make your hand and hope people call around and miss.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject:

krazybangs · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject:

Eh, I missed the low... I read the Subject line as High only... But yeah... in this point you CAN build the pot ahead... much better now that I see you can scoop it.

Thanks for pointing that out DJ.

tatortot1969 · Pair Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 27

Here is the end of the hand. I was a little bummed not to get any action...

DJ... seems I should have checked with the hopes of raising.

PokerStars Game #6934112917: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/07 - 19:45:20 (ET)
Table 'Belinda III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: undeuxtrois ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 2: tatortot1969 ($27.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Riverboat45 ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 4: theckdis ($76.40 in chips)
Seat 5: filipachino ($29.35 in chips)
Seat 6: ro_scythe ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Draughts ($56.90 in chips)
Seat 8: Swooshman1 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 9: SmplyBst ($20.10 in chips)
undeuxtrois: posts small blind $0.10
tatortot1969: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tatortot1969 [3h 5c Qh 4h]
Riverboat45: calls $0.25
theckdis: folds
filipachino: calls $0.25
ro_scythe: folds
Draughts: folds
Swooshman1: folds
SmplyBst: folds
undeuxtrois: calls $0.15
tatortot1969: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2s Ah]
undeuxtrois: checks

The rest of the hand

tatortot1969: bets $0.95
Riverboat45: folds
filipachino: folds
undeuxtrois: folds
tatortot1969 collected $0.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1 | Rake $0.05
Board [Kh 2s Ah]
Seat 1: undeuxtrois (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: tatortot1969 (big blind) collected ($0.95)
Seat 3: Riverboat45 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: theckdis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: filipachino folded on the Flop
Seat 6: ro_scythe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Draughts folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Swooshman1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SmplyBst (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Which brings me to my next Q. When should I slow play/let my opponents catch up enough to get in trouble, in Omaha Hi /Lo?

Thanks again all.

Tatortot1969

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject:

It depends. In this hand yes, you have a nut low draw that cannot be counterfitted. More important than that though is you will be making your low with an odd combination (35, 45, 34) which means it is less likely you'll get 1/4ed. However, in most cirumstances, I wouldn't slowplay anything less than a large boat, or if there is low draw out there.

Jobe Gilchrist · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject:

You're probably in the hand with some aces. Maybe a bad A-2, but probably not. If they don't have high help, what are they doing against a pot bet? People in O/8 are obsessed with hitting their lows. They way overvalue low over high. Somebody with A-3, A-4, 2-3, probably immediately thought "damnit, there goes my low," and got ready to slow way down. A-2 has two pair, but lost their nut low, which was what they probably really wanted. Maybe they call your bet, but it's less likely anyone is holding that because of the preflop limping.

Hopefully somebody has AK or some A/K/Broadway draw combination, but you really want to sucker in people to draw at worse lows and full houses. Keeping people in this pot is probably a good idea. I'd say bet half the pot, at most.

clussman · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject:

I can't believe that many people folded preflop at a .1/.25 table. And I really can't believe the other three all folded on the flop. I'd say you got unlucky that you didn't get paid off on the hand. With no action pre-flop and already one check in front of you, either a half pot bet or a check-raise would be better than a pot bet but I wouldn't feel bad about playing it the way you did. Seriously -- I can't believe they all folded.

That never happens at any table I'm sitting at...

Steamed Rice · Message Board Junkie Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1433

check-raising the pot here is a great play

with a flop like that, you can be sure that someone will try to take a stab at it

the key here is to play it aggressively...you have way too many outs

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