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The_OG_Rocco
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Democrats and Republicans have switched sides over the last half century. The process was spurred by racial integration and lot of people in both parties switched sides. That was when Republicans adopted the code phrase "states rights" as a way to condone prejudice. The phrase is still used today when trying to keep or put in place prejudicial laws. Today the Republicans are trying to attack gays instead of minorities though -- at least overtly.
So don't play the equivocation with something someone did 60 years ago to what is going on today.
And don't compare the two parties and claim they are the same without having anything to back it up with. The Republican had the "Southern Strategy". What did the Democrats have that equated to that?
You know who says the Democrats are as bad as the Republicans? Republicans who have no good goddamn argument for their own party other than "they're bad too." Which isn't even true. |
BOTH parties are fkd up. If you cannot see or admit that, then you are a partisan to the core, and I am wasting my breath.
Democratic Senator Robert C Byrd was a member of the KKK!! 
Was'nt Al Gores father a member of the KKK as well???
Sounds like a real great group of guys you got there.  |
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The_OG_Rocco
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I've never heard any such thing about Al Gore's father. It's despicable to ask a question like that. Go do some **** research and them post the findings. Fox News (aka Republican State Run media) does that crap. They ask questions designed to plant a seed in people's mind. In this case "oh, Al Gore's father was in the KKK." A quick Google shows that you're full of ****.
BTW, even if it had been true, a relative of a politician being racist doesn't equate to a PARTY PLATFORM of racism. Way to equate one person (wrongly) to an entire party.
Come back with some facts or shut up. FTP keeps crashing on me and I'm in no mood for idiots today. |
Sounds like YOU are an idiot pal, Bravo for your party who emraces a former racist KKK member like Senator Robert C Byrd into their party.  |
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Jobe Gilchrist
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there even a word for how surface-level Rocco's thinking is? He is one of the shallowest people I've ever seen. |
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The_OG_Rocco
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there even a word for how surface-level Rocco's thinking is? He is one of the shallowest people I've ever seen. |
The facts remain.
You cannot argue the facts.
If the Democrats were so concerned about minoritys, they should have gotten rid of people like Senator Robert Byrd a long time ago. His being a former member of the KKK is a disgrace to the senate. 
Would you want a former pedophile babysitting your kids??
Jeeezuz.....you people are so partisan that it blinds you.
3 blind mice...3 blind mice...see how they run.....see how they run...... |
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drowsy
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I found the following Wikipedia information interesting :
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Participation in the Ku Klux Klan
In the early 1940s, when [Sen.] Byrd [D - WV] was 24 years old, he joined the Ku Klux Klan, which he had seen holding parades in Matoaka, West Virginia, as a child. His father had also been a Klan member[3]. Byrd was unanimously elected to be the leader, known as the Exalted Cyclops, of his local chapter.[4]
Byrd, in his autobiography, attributed the beginnings of his political career to this incident, ...
Byrd commented on the 1945 controversy raging over the idea of racially integrating the military. In his book When Jim Crow Met John Bull[5], Graham Smith referred to a letter written that year by Byrd, when he was 28 years old, to segregationist Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi, in which Byrd vowed never to fight:
"with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."[6]
When running for Congress in 1952, he announced, "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd |
Of course, people can change, especially over decades. Maybe by the 50's he was no longer a racist. As a Christian we should also forgive. But has he changed? I don't know. Consider the following from JewishWorld Review :
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EX-KLANSMAN Robert Byrd, the senior senator from West Virginia, casually used the phrase "white n*gger" twice on national TV this weekend.
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The ex-Klansman later filibustered the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act -- supported by a majority of those "mean-spirited" Republicans -- for more than 14 hours. He also opposed the nominations of the Supreme Court's two black justices, liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas. In fact, the ex-Klansman had the gall to accuse Justice Thomas of "injecting racism" into the Senate hearings.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030801.asp March 8, 2001 / 13 Adar, 5761 |
I hope he has changed. But, whenever I hear any Republican being pilloried for being a racist, especially if the incident occured many years in the past, I find myself thinking about this guy. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Byrd also said in 2005: "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times . . . and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
Byrd's use of the term "******" created immediate controversy, When asked about it, Byrd apologized for the language: " 'I apologize for the characterization I used on this program,' he said. 'The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society. [...] 'In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people.' "
The NAACP awarded Byrd a 100% rating in its 108th Congressional score card, based on what they consider his pro-civil rights votes in that particular session of Congress.
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So you must also be outraged at the former Sen. from VA George Allen's use of the word "Macaca" last month.
And what point is being made here, that you can classify the entire majority of the new congress with the oldest living memeber of the senate that happens to be democratic?
As for Al Gore, can we also infer from your logic that because the Bush family sold steel to the Nazi's which ended up killing allied soldiers that Bush is a Nazi? Or that because Bush's fortune was built upon war profiteering that the same thing is going on today?
No and no. If you want to research specifics though, why don't you analyze every member of the current congress and/or new congress and see how many racist slurs are made by republicans vs. democrats. You will find most of them in the republican party (does David Duke ring a bell?).
Seriously, you guys make it too easy--and its all a moot point anyway. Don't worry, we won't impeach Bush, unless of course the public demands it after we investigate current war profiteering, corruption, lying us into war, etc. When you whine like a whipped dog after losing an election, it just makes you look sad and pathetic. Have a nice day  |
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drowsy
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I'll have to make this quick (network about to be taken down here at work). Perhaps you can point out in my post were I say anything you attributed to me?
Gotta go |
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deadmoney314
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| Its okay, there will be plenty of time for you to catch up when you aren't so busy. |
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thaevilgenius55
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1st did any of ya voted me hell nooooo why b/c this whole thing of pickin who is goin 2 lead our country is soooo fu cked up right now i mean none of tha 2 partys know how 2 fix anything right now we need a real person sum1 that doesnt give a damn about makin more money sum1 that cares about tha people and fixin and makin thigns better for us not just 4 tha rich u know,sum 1 that doesnt come here and thinks hes tha only person thats right and thats how its goin 2 be no matter what we need a change really bad its sad 2 see my counrty goin down in flames we all need a change 4 tha best god bless us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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clussman
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55, our system is designed so that change happens incrementally. There has always been something of an aristocracy in that the system is designed to let the rich run things. Yes, a lot of things need to change. I have faith that, over time, the system moves in the right direction.
I will continue to vote and be heard because that is the only way to continue to affect any change. Complaining on an internet forum, as good as that may feel, accomplishes very little if you're not going to back those complaints up with votes. |
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thaevilgenius55
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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55, our system is designed so that change happens incrementally. There has always been something of an aristocracy in that the system is designed to let the rich run things. Yes, a lot of things need to change. I have faith that, over time, the system moves in the right direction.
I will continue to vote and be heard because that is the only way to continue to affect any change. Complaining on an internet forum, as good as that may feel, accomplishes very little if you're not going to back those complaints up with votes. |
u have a point but i just felt like there isnt any1 that stands out anymore well thats how i feel about it, and i really dont think my vote would make a diff which i know im wrong but thats how i feel abotu it at this point! |
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The_OG_Rocco
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I found the following Wikipedia information interesting :
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Participation in the Ku Klux Klan
In the early 1940s, when [Sen.] Byrd [D - WV] was 24 years old, he joined the Ku Klux Klan, which he had seen holding parades in Matoaka, West Virginia, as a child. His father had also been a Klan member[3]. Byrd was unanimously elected to be the leader, known as the Exalted Cyclops, of his local chapter.[4]
Byrd, in his autobiography, attributed the beginnings of his political career to this incident, ...
Byrd commented on the 1945 controversy raging over the idea of racially integrating the military. In his book When Jim Crow Met John Bull[5], Graham Smith referred to a letter written that year by Byrd, when he was 28 years old, to segregationist Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi, in which Byrd vowed never to fight:
"with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."[6]
When running for Congress in 1952, he announced, "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd |
Of course, people can change, especially over decades. Maybe by the 50's he was no longer a racist. As a Christian we should also forgive. But has he changed? I don't know. Consider the following from JewishWorld Review :
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EX-KLANSMAN Robert Byrd, the senior senator from West Virginia, casually used the phrase "white n*gger" twice on national TV this weekend.
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The ex-Klansman later filibustered the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act -- supported by a majority of those "mean-spirited" Republicans -- for more than 14 hours. He also opposed the nominations of the Supreme Court's two black justices, liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas. In fact, the ex-Klansman had the gall to accuse Justice Thomas of "injecting racism" into the Senate hearings.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030801.asp March 8, 2001 / 13 Adar, 5761 |
I hope he has changed. But, whenever I hear any Republican being pilloried for being a racist, especially if the incident occured many years in the past, I find myself thinking about this guy. |
A leapord cannot change his spots. That is clear enough by the Democratic Senators "white n&@@er" statement that he made as recently as February, 2001.
Funny thing is, if a Republican would have made that statement, the Democrats would have had him crucified. Fkng hypocrites. |
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drowsy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Its okay, there will be plenty of time for you to catch up when you aren't so busy. |
Finally - back at work again (Yipee!) Network was maybe going to be down for a couple hours so I decided to go home and play some poker. Hmmm... I think I should of stayed at work.
As far as Byrds change of heart, I hope he has. His explanation for his outburst sounds very reasonable. Old people's minds can indeed play strange tricks on them. I am sure that in moments of stress, many an elderly person's mouth can revert back to the usage of their chilhood. I even believe he is remorseful. Hey, call me a sucker if you want to.
Thats why I made sure to include from the Wikipedia entry the part were he said he grew away from it. I even left out of my jewishworldreview section the letter he wrote three years after he said he left the Klan. It seems appropriate now though:
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Sen. Byrd had written to the Imperial Wizard of the KKK three years after he says he abandoned the group. He wrote: "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia" and "in every state in the Union."
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I left it out because I think in most people the process of change is gradual. The first step could of been letting his Klan dues lapse. Further down the road (after the letter), he could of decided the Klan was no longer needed. Maybe after he filibustered the Civil Rights Act, he changed his mind about discrimination. A few years latter there might of only been a trace of his old beliefs when he opposed nominees to the Supreme Court, both liberal and conservative, who were black. By the time the NAACP awarded him their 100% rating, he might very well of purged out all the vileness that was within himself in his youth.
I believe in the power of men's souls to change. You believe his has, and I hope you're right.
Just as I was not outraged by Sen. Byrd's remarks, or actions, neither am I outraged by Sen. Allen's. I am not sure were you saw this outrage in what I wrote.
As far as your question, "what point is being made here?" I think you misunderstand, or at least I'm not sure were you are coming from. I constructed no argument. I made no point. I am merely a history buff and posted it since I found it interesting. Don't you? After all, I have many relatives in West Virginia. When you and Rocco mentioned their Senator, it piqued my interest and I looked it up. What I found was kinda interesting, huh?
As far as the Republicans getting thumped. Good. They brought it on themselves by straying from the principles they espoused when the were first made a majority. There are no tears being shed here.
This is because I agree with the principle that a government governs best, that governs least. I want the power split between the parties. Why? Because right now, the most likely way to reach that ideal, is through gridlock. Now, there are now enough Democrats to obstruct whatever Republicans want to do, and their might even still be enough Rupublicans to obstruct (filibuster?) the Democrats in whatever their plans might be.
I am looking forward with optimism to the next two years. Two years which will hopefully be filled with nothing but partisan bickering. |
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