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Below is an example that I think shows how aggression extracted more money out of the hand. The name has been changed to protect the owner of the second best hand...

Hand #35085108-11242 at Hermanus ($.50/$1 Hold'em)
Started at 02/Nov/06 02:28:21

AAwade213 is at seat 0 with $4.35.
DrBudman is at seat 1 with $9.75.
chinler is at seat 2 with $24.95.
Ace Of Wands is at seat 3 with $38.80.
OICY_UREZ is at seat 4 with $43.40 (sitting out).
bigmamma321 is at seat 5 with $26.05.
ender wiggin is at seat 6 with $41.65.
bigwheell is at seat 7 with $59.80.
XXXX is at seat 8 with $17.80.
JonAfon is at seat 9 with $87.95.
The button is at seat 5.

ender wiggin posts the small blind of $.25.
bigwheell posts the big blind of $.50.

AAwade213: -- --
DrBudman: -- --
chinler: -- --
Ace Of Wands: -- --
bigmamma321: -- --
ender wiggin: -- --
bigwheell: Qh Th
XXXX: -- --
JonAfon: -- --

Pre-flop:

XXXX raises to $1. JonAfon folds. AAwade213
folds. DrBudman folds. chinler folds. Ace Of
Wands folds. bigmamma321 folds. ender wiggin folds.
bigwheell calls.

Flop (board: 4h 9h 6h):

bigwheell bets $.50. XXXX raises to $1.
bigwheell re-raises to $1.50. XXXX calls.

Turn (board: 4h 9h 6h 3s):

bigwheell bets $1. XXXX calls.

River (board: 4h 9h 6h 3s 5s):

bigwheell bets $1. XXXX calls.

Showdown:

bigwheell shows Qh Th.
bigwheell has Qh Th 4h 9h 6h: flush, queen high.
XXXX mucks cards.
(XXXX has Jc Jh.)

Hand #35085108-11242 Summary:

$.40 is raked from a pot of $9.25.
bigwheell wins $8.85 with flush, queen high.

I called the raise out of the BB with what is probably a dominated hand most of the time, I know I can handle post flop play well enough to stay out of trouble...

With XXXX's preflop raise, I knew he would lead postflop and I bet back into him with my flush. I ended up getting him to go all the way to the river with his JJ, he just couldn't put me on a flush when I bet into him like that.

I think the hand would have been over with on the turn if I would have check called the flop and then checkraised the turn.

Comments???

deadmoney314 · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:10 am Post subject:

Its funny, I can tell this hand was played at UB by some of the player names. In any case, I have a difference of opinion here but take it with a grain of salt. Leading on the flop into a raiser is something that I never do, in fact this is commonly labeled "the donk bet" and I rarely use it and if I do it will be on the river mostly to prevent a free showdown and in very specific situations on the turn. In this situation, your opponent was likely to showdown no matter the action, not only does he see a board with all unders but he will believe that he is protecting a good amount of the time and this looks like a draw heavy board. Now I'm not saying that you definately would have made more money any other way but I think this may be a time when the results are reinforcing a bad habit.
Now moving on, and there will be plenty of disagreement on this but my move would have been check-raise the flop, or depending on how loose my opp was I would smooth call flop and check raise turn (and in this case since he has all unders and a possible j-high flush draw he will showdown because this is .5/1). The reason for this is if he is a tight opp the check raise flop gets me a lot of information, like does he have the A or K of Heart

so I know that my hand is vulnerable--notice if he has that I have him in for the rest of the hand and probably showing down if he misses as an opp will at least consider that I would be betting a strong draw like bottom pair with the A or K high flush draw. For a loose/agg opp I am not likely to be outdrawn as the spectrum of his/her raising hands include many that will get to the showdown drawing nearly dead, waiting to pop them on the turn will get more value imho.
Lastly, I just like the image these lines give you whether or not the hands are showndown or not. People will stop using blind aggression at you when you are OOP which gives you invaluable free cards when you should never had been able to get them. This sort of table image is the best as it allows people to commit the most mistakes against you imho. Nice hand and I'm glad it worked out Smile

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:26 am Post subject:

At .50/1, it seems that most players are around that 30/4/1 range full ring and I will be aggressive when playing out of the blinds heads up in a raised or unraised hand and it looks a missed flop...That is my theory behind the donk bet from the blinds, as it is commonly refered to. My blinds are -.07 BB/100 for the sb and -.13 BB/100 for the big blind. I guess I do not have a baseline to compare these stats too, but I think I am happy with that.

Any others that use PT, how do your stats compare and do you play 6max or 9/10?

I think that a players game has to evolve some and change as he moves up, or he will not be able to handle the better play at the higher levels, but my blind play seems to work out alright on the .50/1 full ring games.

If this happened out of the blinds, I would have probably checkraised the turn...

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