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Themistocles · Two Pair Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 75

Below is a hand from a PL08 MTT I took part in. I would like your thoughts on the call I made. As it turned out, I didnt win neither the Hi nor the Low, and I got really low on chips.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1167271129: Double Stack $10 + $1 (7955718), Table 17 - 400/800 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 17:54:37 ET - 2006/10/29
Seat 2: 5thSTpimp (17,894)
Seat 3: kinell (8,982)
Seat 4: bayne_s (7,455)
Seat 5: DevilfishFan (26,214)
Seat 6: Themistocles (10,814)
Seat 7: a_harpist (1,688)
Seat 8: Lee Watkinson (5,767)
Seat 9: coyote910 (16,839)
coyote910 posts the small blind of 400
5thSTpimp posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Themistocles [2c 4s 3s 6d]
kinell folds
bayne_s calls 800
DevilfishFan folds
Themistocles calls 800
a_harpist folds
ne2aces (Observer): hang on lee
Lee Watkinson has 15 seconds left to act
DevilfishFan: Lee, did you punch Paul Phillips in the face after your head up loss to Doyle? I would have Smile

Lee Watkinson raises to 4,400
Candy Flake (Observer): get em lee
coyote910 folds
5thSTpimp folds
bayne_s calls 3,600
Themistocles calls 3,600
*** FLOP *** [Qh 2s 7d]
DevilfishFan: rut roh
bayne_s bets 3,055, and is all in
Themistocles calls 3,055
ne2aces (Observer): NOOOOO
Lee Watkinson calls 1,367, and is all in
bayne_s shows [Js 3c 9h As]
ne2aces (Observer): not yet
Themistocles shows [2c 4s 3s 6d]
Lee Watkinson shows [3d 5s 8s Ad]
*** TURN *** [Qh 2s 7d] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 2s 7d 5c] [Jd]
bayne_s shows a pair of Jacks, for high
bayne_s shows 7,5,3,2,A, for low
Themistocles shows a pair of Twos, for high
Themistocles shows 7,5,4,3,2, for low
bayne_s wins the high side pot (1,688) with a pair of Jacks
bayne_s wins the low side pot (1,688) with 7,5,3,2,A
Lee Watkinson shows a pair of Fives, for high
Lee Watkinson shows 7,5,3,2,A, for low
bayne_s wins the high main pot (9,251) with a pair of Jacks
bayne_s ties for the low main pot (4,625) with 7,5,3,2,A
Lee Watkinson ties for the low main pot (4,625) with 7,5,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21,877 Main pot 18,501. Side pot 3,376. | Rake 0
Board: [Qh 2s 7d 5c Jd]
Seat 2: 5thSTpimp (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: kinell didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: bayne_s showed [Js 3c 9h As] and won (17,252) with HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,5,3,2,A
Seat 5: DevilfishFan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Themistocles showed [2c 4s 3s 6d] and lost with HI: a pair of Twos; LO: 7,5,4,3,2
Seat 7: a_harpist didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Lee Watkinson (button) showed [3d 5s 8s Ad] and won (4,625) with HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 7,5,3,2,A
Seat 9: coyote910 (small blind) folded before the Flop

My thoughts :

Should I be in this hand from the first place? Do you think I should have folded preflop, when the guy before me called Lee Watkinson's bet? I had both players covered, and the temptation to bust them out (esp. Lee Watkinson) was big

On the other hand, my hand did have good chances of hitting a low, but in case another flop showed up, e.g. 7-10-K, it was doomed no matter what. So, because of this, maybe I shouldn't have joined the hand. Take into consideration that places in the money were 1st to 27th, and there were about 32-34 ppl left in the tourney at the time.

Your thoughts? Thank you

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:38 am Post subject:

There really isn't much good I can say about this play. You shouldn't have played this PF, you shouldn't have called the flop bet, you are in decent position to make the money without any sort of drastic move. Just bad overall.

Ok, now that I'm done calling you a donk Laughing

(kidding, kidding), here is why. First of all I know both of the players you are against, so I guess I have a bit of an advantage in my analysis. Bayne just isn't making that move without a solid hand. Same goes for Lee. Look at what you are drawing to, MAYBE two aces for the nut low, otherwise you are drawing to the thrid best low, which when you consider both of these players and the fact they bet big PF, if one of them doesn't have A3 I can gaurantee they have A4. Basically you put in a lot of money needing runner-runner for the high and two outer for the nut low. Simply not a good enough hand

As far as PF, you can ONLY play that hand for a limp, and it's probably best to restrict that to late postion. The problem with 234 is you are going to need help on the flop to have a secure low, otherwise most of the time you are going to have 2nd or 3rd best. I think you really overplayed this one to take a shot at Lee, this is one of those hands you need to chuck when action gets hot.

Themistocles · Two Pair Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 75

Thank you very much for your reply. I see no reason why you shouldnt call me a donkey Embarassed

It was a donkish play anyway.

I suppose the hand I had required an Ace on board. I should have guessed that 2 aces - or more - were also in the hands of the other two players. Even limping in PF was wrong, because of my early position.

Not that it matters to you, but I've been spending quite some time studying O8 and that mistake of mine was really disappointing for me. Better luck next time, I guess

Thanks again

DevilfishFan · Royal Flush Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 906

I'm famous!!

DevilfishFan · Royal Flush Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 906

Lee knocked me and another guy out with a very similar hand. I had A-3-4-k suited to the ace, the other guy had A-2-4 I think, and somehow we got scooped. Embarassed

I'm a terrible O8 player. I wouldn't feel right commenting on anyone's play.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:11 am Post subject:

lesdoodis · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject:

Themistocles · Two Pair Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 75

I know what you mean and, trust me, that mistake saved me from trouble in tourneys I have played since that day.

Thanks a lot Smile

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