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jon reynolds
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 Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| sure there is ( or might be ) a difference between play money and real money.. but you cant honestly believe that all play money does is let you learn the basics of the game? I know you can learn alot more from playing real money but you can learn alot from play money with out the risk.. or reward. |
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CitizenCain
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Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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Location: Behind a huge stack of chips.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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You think so?
With 82 people left (out of 900), in last night's freeroll, this is what the cream of the "I don't have real money to play with" crop had to offer...
Full Tilt Poker Game #1169775854: $40 Freeroll (7754667), Table 74 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:35:06 ET - 2006/10/30
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: t8460
Hero: t11237
MP1: t9100
MP2: t25700
CO: t4205
Button: t6294
SB: t16977
BB: t14473
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with  
UTG folds, Hero raises all-in t11187, 2 folds, CO calls all-in t4155, 3 folds.
Uncalled bets: t7032 returned to Hero.
Flop:    (t1600, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t9310)
Turn:  (t1600, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t9310)
River:  (t1600, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t9310)
Results:
Final pot: t9310, villain wins with a flush, ace high. With QJ spades. Yup, called all in with a Q hi. (For some reason the converter is chopping off half the HH. bleh.) |
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luihed
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Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Play money is good for learning the very basics.... but once your comfortable playing online you should stop playing it and move to real money right away..... Playing with playchips trains you to become a bad player, u see enough J7 make a straight and itll take you alot of real money to finally figure out its not a good starting hand..... if you practice something the wrong way, it will make you worst... and that what your doing in playmoney...... |
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HuJwang
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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Location: Halifax, NS
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CitizenCain wrote: |
You think so?
With 82 people left (out of 900), in last night's freeroll, this is what the cream of the "I don't have real money to play with" crop had to offer...
Full Tilt Poker Game #1169775854: $40 Freeroll (7754667), Table 74 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:35:06 ET - 2006/10/30
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t50)
8 players
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...you've never seen someone call a preflop all in with QJ? he was starting to get short stacked too.
and why do you raise 30 times the big blind like that? |
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lesdoodis
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Location: Round Rock, TX
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I started with play chips but that was just to get used to the layout and what not. I now only go there when I am bored in another tourney or waiting for one to start. I also go there to play with some friends who don't do real money. But as far as learing the strategy aspect of the game, useless. |
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CitizenCain
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Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| ...you've never seen someone call a preflop all in with QJ? he was starting to get short stacked too. |
I've never seen anyone decent do it, unless much shorter stacked than 10+ BBs.
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| and why do you raise 30 times the big blind like that? |
A) I was playing real money games I cared about and didn't have time to "actually" play in the freeroll. Hard to care much about a tourney where first prize is < the average pot in your ring game.
B) It was working. I'd keep getting called by lousy hands. I thought that by this point, I'd just take down the blinds and antes, or get called by a better hand, though... like I said, the cream of the no money crop isn't half as good as some seem to think. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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you weren't even at the final table though, and you are just showing only one of the donks who managed to make it into the top 10%. and there are easily people who play like that in $1 tournies.
we're not saying that play chips will help you for playing higher stakes, but it will help you prepare to start playing real money in the lowest micro stakes, which is where all newbies should start (unless of course they have lots of money to burn) |
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CitizenCain
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| you weren't even at the final table though, and you are just showing only one of the donks who managed to make it into the top 10%. and there are easily people who play like that in $1 tournies. |
That was kinda my point - that play money bears no real relation to real money poker, even at the micros. As evidenced by the fact that a donkey like that made it into the top 10%... I'd post some high stakes play money HH's... but I don't have any, on account of not collecting play chips, but real chips instead. |
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jon reynolds
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I posted twice.. how do I delete this post?
there isnt a blue box with an X in it next to it..
Last edited by jon reynolds on Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:25 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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jon reynolds
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Cain, I still disagree with you.. If you try and care about play money then you CAN improve.. its just how your atitude is about the play chips, Ive played real money and I dont think theres that big of difference, If anything it was hard going from my play money games to micro limits, because I was taking a huge step down in skill level, even at some of the $2/4 limits there are fish (thanks whoever got a river 9 with A9 v AA to cost me over 300$) but anyway you can improve, but this is just a view from a mainly play money player, who doesnt play real money anymore due to busting..but would like to get back into real money so any offer is accepted lol jk jk
Sum this up: You can improve, just gotta try no matter the skill level around you... which there is actually some skill in the higher limits.. |
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Moshiach
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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This has to be a joke.
0.01/0.02 tables are 10x harder than play money, not because they're skilled, but because play money is a fish tank with no one playing seriously or really giving a ****. |
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HuJwang
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This has to be a joke.
0.01/0.02 tables are 10x harder than play money, not because they're skilled, but because play money is a fish tank with no one playing seriously or really giving a ****. |
i'm guessing because you never played the higher limits of play money (much less read any of the responses to this thread)
most players are still pretty bad but the majority are at least trying, so it is very similar to .01/.02. |
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dodge these
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| you weren't even at the final table though, and you are just showing only one of the donks who managed to make it into the top 10%. and there are easily people who play like that in $1 tournies. |
That was kinda my point - that play money bears no real relation to real money poker, even at the micros. As evidenced by the fact that a donkey like that made it into the top 10%... I'd post some high stakes play money HH's... but I don't have any, on account of not collecting play chips, but real chips instead. |
How about being in the top 20 out of about 80 left from the original 900. You have AA and make a standard raise from utg nad another high stack that had about twice the average moves all in. You call and he shows 88...
Made it into the top 10% with a big stack and risk it all on a coinflip at best with a mid pair when facing an utg raise from a tight player... but then again with so little on the line....
Oh wait, that was 100k guarantee with 24k going to the winner and over 1k just for making the ft... and this isn't even the worse play I saw that deep, just the one that came to mind. People will make it very far playing crazy reagrdless of the stakes, so a donk making it deep into a freeroll proves nothing about play chips when smeone like Mneymaker can with the biggest turnemanet in the world. |
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dodge these
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Also, play a high stakes STT at a totally play money site like ESPN with some of the regulars... you'll get a much better game than even a $5 tourney here. Not saying that all play chip games are good but you can certainly learn a lot by playing them as many people I started out with playing there are much better than the ones I play against for real money, and they got that way just by practicing with fake chips. Most of them for whatever reason choose to still only play for fun, but most of the ones that have made ttransitions have FREEROLLED their way into THOUSANDS of dollars from what they learned taking play chips seriously. |
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Moshiach
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Moshiach wrote: |
This has to be a joke.
0.01/0.02 tables are 10x harder than play money, not because they're skilled, but because play money is a fish tank with no one playing seriously or really giving a ****. |
i'm guessing because you never played the higher limits of play money (much less read any of the responses to this thread)
most players are still pretty bad but the majority are at least trying, so it is very similar to .01/.02. |
No, i have played the higher play money tables, they're a joke, all in fest, no skill, no talent, just a whole lot of funny money being thrown around. |
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