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intrepid69 · Straight Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 120

I need some help with this game. Over the last month I've lost 13% of my bankroll playing it. I was actually sitting at the Reno table yesterday evening with a few of you regular posters here on the forums. Riddim, you were there just for a bit when I finally had to leave. Someone, I think named montibaum and AP (something) sorry, I can't remember your names for sure but, I've seen you post here regularly. Last night I played my usual very tight hand selection game. I played over 400 hands and lost $12.00 and change during that time. I just seem to get more than the fair share of suck outs. I understand about varience and I'm trying to ride this out. I've sat at a table and played more hands and tried for all the obvious draws I had with the great pot odds. I'm saying I did mix up my game trying different styles but nothing seemed to work. Anyhow, you posters that I mentioned above can be helpful to me. Did you by chance notice a leak in my game? I know it was a 9 player ring game and I may not of even been noticed by you. But, I admire your posts, knowledge, and, understanding of the game so, if you have any advice to help me I thank you in advance. Maybe limit just isn't my game.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:25 am Post subject:

Hey intrepid. I'm Mr Montalbaun. I don't really remember how you played but don't be too discouraged about having a losing session even playing 400 hands. I played almost 600 yesterday on that table and ended down about $1. Some sessions are like that. Have you read any books on limit hold 'em? If you haven't you really should. Check out Winning Low Limit Hold 'em or Small Stakes Hold 'em. Limit is a more mechanical game than NL. Reading about it and developing your core game will help you be more consistent.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

Well, I only played about 60 hands with you and only saw you go to whowdown twice, so I don't really know much about your game. My advice would be to post some specific hands/situations/concepts where you're not quite comfortable. Oh, and read Small stakes hold 'em by Miller, Sklansky and Malmuth if you haven't, it's great.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject:

Ditto on what Rob said, even 15,000 hands is a short run and a winning player could come out losing after that many hands and vice versa. You should read the book mentioned and in addition focus on your decisions. You need to go through your HH and see how good your batting average is on your decisions. If a situation isn't clear, run it through cardplayer's holdem calculator or pokerstove.com to verify your accuracy. This allows you to see what bad habits you've picked up and should help you not reinforce them (i.e. you win the pot but made a bad decision to get there) in addition this sort of analysis gives you confidence to continue making the good decisions that you already make. Hope this helps,

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject:

Well if there is one tip you need for limit cash games, it is to read "Winning Low Limit Hold'Em" by Lee Jones. It's easily the best book I've read, better than LGB, Harrington, Super/System.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:13 am Post subject:

mzbuns · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:13 am Post subject:

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:14 am Post subject:

Come on riddim. You haven't even read WLLH. It doesn't advocate weak tight play. It's a good beginner book. I'd recommend anyone wanting to learn limit hold 'em start with this book.

intrepid69 · Straight Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 120

Thanks everyone for your input. Rob, you gave good insight. Riddim, that's actually the first book I read. Time for a refresher on it, can't hurt. Deadmoney spending some time going over those hand histories will be most helpful. I guess the decision is still up in the air on the Jones book. Just to give you a bit more insight I took my first deposit of $150.00 up to $552.00 plus change. That included the matching bonus. It took me like 4 months to run it up. Mostly NL and pot limit hold 'em. Then, trying to improve my overall game knowledge I wanted to get a good handle on limit hold 'em. That month of playing limit cost me $71.00 all at the $.25/.50 tables. Now, when buliding that bankroll I'd have winning and losing days. I'd drop only about $20.00 at a time before going back on a winning streak. The $71.00 started to worry me never having dropped that much for a period of time without recovering. Much more of that bankroll gone I'd have to leave limit and go back to what got me to where I was but, that wouldn't resolve my game being better if limit is a weakness for me. I'll take everyones advice apply it and see what happens.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:

Limit Hold em is by far my most profitable game. The first poker book I ever read was Play Poker Like the Pros and it taught me how to play tight, solid poker. The second book I read was Super/System and it taught me some more fancy plays but also tells you to play straightforward poker most of the time. Sometimes I play very well and the cards don't help me out. I'll miss all my draws, miss every flop when I have unpaired hole cards, and have Aces hit on the river to crack my pocket pairs all night long. However, there are also times when I'll sit down and play for 10 minutes and double my buy in right away. There is skill involved in limit hold em but there is also a lot of luck. You're not going to come out a winner every time; it's impossible.

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