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Full Tilt Poker Game #1162685898: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (7920067), Table 20 - 500/1000 - Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 19:30:09 ET - 2006/10/28
Seat 1: ehowie (8,030)
Seat 2: SnifflesTwo (4,294)
Seat 4: jaysos (5,302)
Seat 5: DC11GE (8,288)
Seat 6: 1Blunt1 (5,758)
Seat 7: Ayb (11,793)
Seat 8: BadMoonRisin (13,718)
Seat 9: quaint (2,717)
1Blunt1 posts the small blind of 250
Ayb posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DC11GE [6d Ad Kc 8s]not the best starting hand, but I was on the button and felt like it
BadMoonRisin calls 500
quaint folds
ehowie calls 500
SnifflesTwo folds
jaysos folds
DC11GE calls 500
1Blunt1 calls 250
Ayb checks
*** FLOP *** [6s 6c 8c]
1Blunt1 bets 500
Ayb folds
BadMoonRisin raises to 1,000
ehowie folds
DC11GE calls 1,000
1Blunt1 calls 500
*** TURN *** [6s 6c 8c] [Ks]
BRIV sits down
BRIV adds 10,257
1Blunt1 checks
BadMoonRisin bets 1,000
DC11GE: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, this could get ugly
DC11GE has 15 seconds left to act
DC11GE calls 1,000
1Blunt1 raises to 2,000
BadMoonRisin calls 1,000
DC11GE calls 1,000
*** RIVER *** [6s 6c 8c Ks] [Ac]
1Blunt1 checks
BadMoonRisin: lol
BadMoonRisin bets 1,000
DC11GE has 15 seconds left to act
DC11GE calls 1,000
1Blunt1 has 15 seconds left to act
1Blunt1 folds
DC11GE: wow, i have 3 full houses
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BadMoonRisin shows [8h 3c 8d 5h] (a full house, Eights full of Sixes)this kinda bothered me, but i don't know if it should've. not too good of a hand to limp UTG with
*** SHOW DOWN ***
(8,6,5,3,A)
DC11GE mucks
BadMoonRisin wins the high pot (6,750) with a full house, Eights full of Sixes
BadMoonRisin wins the low pot (6,750) with 8,6,5,3,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13,500 | Rake 0
Board: [6s 6c 8c Ks Ac]
Seat 1: ehowie folded on the Flop
Seat 2: SnifflesTwo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: jaysos didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: DC11GE (button) mucked [6d Ad Kc 8s] - HI: a full house, Sixes full of Aces
Seat 6: 1Blunt1 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 7: Ayb (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: BadMoonRisin showed [8h 3c 8d 5h] and won (13,500) with HI: a full house, Eights full of Sixes; LO: 8,6,5,3,A
Seat 9: quaint didn't bet (folded)

Now, I know that I never had the best hand, but considering that I held everything on the board, should I have even put anyone on a higher pair? Looking back, I should've folded on the turn, but again, I had a K and didn't think the odds were that someone would've had the case 2 kings, same with the case A's and same with case 8's. I almost folded a couple of times, and should've paid attention to my first guess and folded preflop.

I know that Full House vs Full house, you gotta go broke, but could I ever have gotten away from this?

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:

After looking over it again, I realized that I must have instinctivly knew that I was beat. Not once did I raise. I don't know why, so I guess my head knew it but it wasn't speaking loud enough.

UFO1947 · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:

I would have lost everything if i had played, omaha is still a game I need to work on to become a winner at

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject:

I know that if this happened in HE, going broke here is a given, but I don't know if thats the same in Omaha when it comes to fullhouses.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

In Omaha, you can get away from this hand. Maybe not on this level, but it is possible. But why aren't you reraising? You have a full house, you are getting bet into, and the only way to prevent yourself from losing to a bigger full house is to raise and see if you get reraised. Still though, it's tougher here because you know they need both case cards to have you beat, and I can't fault anyone that does go broke here, but you did play this oddly.

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject:

Yeah, like I said, I'm not sure why I didn't re-raise. I have a bad habit of playing a little too passive in O8. Thats the opposite of how I play in Ohi and HE. I'm actually too aggressive in those, but not sure why I don't in O8. With this hand, I was subconsiously worried of a bigger full house which is probalby why I didn't reraise. I figured I wanted to see the hand to the end, but had I reraised, I probably would've been busted. I had a pretty good idea that I might be beat, but was hoping he was on a low draw, which he ended up getting anyway Smile

I bet had I reraised, then been reraised again, I could've folded it. Not sure if I would've but it would've been easier.

Thanks DJ, I was hoping you'd answer this post. I ended up getting 10th so thats not too bad.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject:

You know there is one thing that I read in Fischman's book that actually made it worth reading. He gives the idea of the "good" mistake, and uses Dannenmen as his example. He basically calls Dannenman a donk in some senses, but he does state and Dannenmen's aggression makes his own luck. By which he means, Dannenmen probably raising more often than he should means he but himself in situations to win big pots and when he factor in fold equity and implied odds (people don't usually put people who bet out on draws) his play isn't all that wrong. I don't like putting this towards my HE ring games but I will use it extensively in PLO/8 tournaments. For example, in the tournament I played in today, I had the nut low draw, and I think top pair, not the best hand to push but not terrible. As it turned out I was up against a set (and another player who told me after that he would have hit a flush). Long story short, I pot the flop, set calls, flush draw folds. Turn gives me the low and a straight draw. All-in, set calls. I hit the straight on the river and scoop.

Did I get lucky there, yeah. Did I bet big while I was behind, yeah. But had I been passive there the flush probably sticks around and I don't scoop, or I don't win as large a pot (the set player was very passive). Honestly, aggression is king in O/8, because most players aren't.

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:

Thats a very good point. I'm selectively aggressive in O8, but I'm not really sure why or when I turn it on. It just kinda happens when it happens, at least for limit at late stages when the limits are big. Early on, or if I have a big stack, I'm more aggressive. I need to work on keeping that up. In PLO8, I've noticed that I don't aggressively draw, but if I've got a made hand or a hand I'm trying to protect, I bet and raise hard. I still bet my draws, but I don't feel that I know enough about the game to really feel that comfortable doing anything but that. I kinda play it safe for the most part.

O8 is really my newest game. I don't know it nearly as well as HE and Ohi (which I only know a little bit). So far it seems to be my most profitable tourney wise. I bought TJ's book which was dogsh*t and am wanting to get better, so I'll be getting SS2 soon.

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