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nopepperjack
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 Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: Blinds |
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I know that some of you are very aggresive and some not so much. So, if you want to answer this question, include your assesment of your degree of aggresiveness.
OK, now for the question....
It seems that every time I start a new session and post the blind, it is raised before it is my turn to act. Most times, I do not have a good starting hand and I just fold. However, it occurs to me that there may be other ways to look at this situation.
What do you think?
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bigwheell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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One idea is to sit down, then wait and post when the BB gets back to you...This will give you an idea of what the table is playing like by the time the BB gets around to you. You get to see the table play a few hands before you jump in.
I would suggest you try what I mentioned above if you do not feel comfortable playing weak hands post flop. Most of the hands are raised preflop and you usually have to call a raise or two to play the hand.
Depending on where the BB is, I will do both...Wait for the BB or post. If it is less than 3 hands to me, I will wait for the BB, otherwise I will post. I am not afraid of letting the hand go if it is raised and I have an 8-3 or a similar hand... |
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01baz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| just listen to bigwheell |
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junkbutton
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't do it always, but if someone sits down and posts when it's not their BB, I am more likely to raise because there is that extra BB out there to steal. Always wait until it's your BB to start playing. Why pay extra? |
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nopepperjack
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: the question |
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OK, I understand about not posting until it is your BB. Same question... if I wait until my BB (which I do most of the time), and it is raised to me, which it is most of the time... I simpley fold unless I have a pretty good starting hand, but.... is there another view point?
Also, please tell me how aggressive you are when you answer the question. That way I get some prospective on it.
Thanks,
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junkbutton
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| You should play the first hand you play when you sit down as you would any other hand in the same situation. I'm not quite sure what you mean by aggressiveness... |
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bigwheell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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There is some good info on Blind defense that is posted in the sticky at the top of the column...
I think that is what you are trying to get information about.
I will defend if I catch part of the flop and I think the flop may have missed the LP aggressor...I will also defend from time to time with absolutly nothing if I am pretty sure that the LP Aggressor missed the flop and is stealing...
One of the last times I defended my BB, I turned over middle pair on the river and BB turned over a Full house...So it doesn't work all the time, and can be a bit embarrasing when it fails. |
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01baz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I think a problem with a lot of new players is "defending their blinds." they see top pros play blinds with any 2 cards because they want to defend their blinds, but im not scared to lay down my hand. The reason is simple, you shouldnt see your blind as your money any more. each round every player has to post the blinds so you should just see this as forced payment to the pot sa every other player has to do. just wait for your hands and throw away junk in the blinds |
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nopepperjack
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: OK, |
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Baz,
Your reply is exactly the way I have always looked at it. And is the correct approach, I just wondered if there was some differeent points of view, or ideas to apply.
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01baz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| i think u shld carry on lookin at it like that. theres no need 2 fight 4 ur blinds as i said. especially wen u 1st sit down, once ur in the game and u have a feel for ur opponents and u know u can outplay them, weneva u feel that late positions are trying to steal then u could put in a raise and then use your position on the flop to steal the pot. but dont do it too often or you will become a predictable "blind defender" |
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HalfStackStu
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: the question |
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| nopepperjack wrote: |
if I wait until my BB (which I do most of the time), and it is raised to me, which it is most of the time... I simpley fold unless I have a pretty good starting hand, but.... is there another view point?
Also, please tell me how aggressive you are when you answer the question. That way I get some prospective on it.
Thanks,
NoPepperJack |
It sounds like you may only be considering what hand you have. You should also consider the size of the pot. Sometimes calling with even a dominated hand might be the profitable, and therefore correct, thing to do.
For instance: Say there are 5 people in front of you that have put 2 bets into the pot. Add your forced bet (your blind) and that makes a total of 11 bets in the pot. You only have to call one bet. You're getting 11 to 1. 11 to one is excellent with any two cards.
I'm only assuming that you don't know about pot odds because you said you only consider what hand you have. If you do know about pot odds then you should apply them. If you don't know, you need to find out. Comfortable pot odds calculation and application is one of the first things that beginners should learn.
It also seems that you are very interested in agressiveness. I don't think anyone has answered you so I will try. My aggression changes based on the situation. I try to figure out what level of aggression will work against different players at different tables during what hands. |
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01baz
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Re: the question |
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sorry i mistook this person for somebody else who i saw on another post.. my apoligies
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akoonastom
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: Re: the question |
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| HalfStackStu wrote: |
For instance: Say there are 5 people in front of you that have put 2 bets into the pot. Add your forced bet (your blind) and that makes a total of 11 bets in the pot. You only have to call one bet. You're getting 11 to 1. 11 to one is excellent with any two cards.
I'm only assuming that you don't know about pot odds because you said you only consider what hand you have. |
im only assumin that ur here to insult people, but never the less please tell me how he has put 2 bets in the pot? he has only put in the blind and i dont care about odds, im not calling 2 extra bets with 72 or 94 so no i dont think 11-1 is exellent with any 2 cards because any 2 cards could easily be dominated |
If 5 people have put in 2 bets, that's 10. His blind makes 11, so he would have to call 1 bet to win 11, hence, 11 to 1 odds.
I don't see where Stu insulted anyone in his post.
P.S. - Your style of writing is practically unintelligible. Must you write that way? |
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01baz
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| sorry i read it wrong, and thought he was somebody else. and yes i must write this way |
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HalfStackStu
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: the question |
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| 01baz wrote: |
| i dont think 11-1 is exellent with any 2 cards because any 2 cards could easily be dominated |
Dominated cards can easily be getting favorable odds to call at 11 to 1. |
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