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01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

lol ok im getting made to look like an idiot. but what i mean is. if you're on the button with 74o in a tourny for example.. u have 2000 chips and the blinds are 200-400, ever player has limped in so ur gettin 10-1, r u goin 2 call jus cos u got them odds?? come on people some1 work with me here lol, im not sayin 10-1 odds arent bad, but at least have a hand that can win at a show down if not at least a suited 67 but now something like 84 etc

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

I'm a believer in going strictly by the odds in a lot of cases, even tournaments. The problem here is that we're usually not going to know whether we've actually hit that x:1 shot or not. With a trashy hand like 83, we're never really going to be able to play one pair, which is what we'll have most of the time when we hit, with any confidence. Most of the time we're not even going to have top pair. And even though some players appear to try their best to give their hand away, we're going to have to put money in the pot to know if this is one of the times we flopped the winning hand or not practically every time. This is what makes it unprofitable to play those trashy hands in spots like the ones mentioned above. If we on the other hand could go all-in with that same hand, getting those same odds, it might be worth considering.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:06 am Post subject:

Like others said you should always consider the odds you are getting when deciding whether to play from the blinds. In a raised pot the worst you are getting is 3 to 1. Those are pretty good to call with a lot of hands. Let me just say now that in a cash game defending your blind is not that important. It's more important in a tourney. You should go by the odds in a cash game unless you have some pretty specific reads. Anyway so the worst you will be getting is 3 to 1. Now you have to consider who raised and from where. If a really tight player raised you probably want to fold a lot of hands that you might normally call with getting 3 to 1. If it was raised from UTG you probably want to play a little tighter also. Beware of bad Aces in the blinds, A2 etc. With a raise and a call in front of you it's pretty likely you're up against a better ace and while you may actually be getting correct odds to call when that Ace flops now what do you do? Most of the time you lose 3 more BB calling down and getting outkicked. I'd rather have something like 9Ts in the BB when it was raised and called in front of me then something like A6o. Far less likely to be dominated and even hitting a pair is far more likely to win then the Ace in my opinion. If it's folded to the button or SB and they raise I would call with any hand except real rags like 52o. I would usually only raise with premium hands. I've noticed most often they try to steal then when you call the SB will check to you and your bet will take it down on the flop. If you lead out against the button they will usually fold also. Keep in mind that just because the raise came from there doesn't mean they have nothing but most times they won't. If they are playing back strong they probably have something and even if they had junk they could have hit a miracle two pair or something.

griffinlord · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject:

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