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bigwheell
Royal Flush
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Location: North Dakota
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 Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: Live game question... |
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I played 2-10 spread limit hold em on Friday night. This was an interesting hand that I think can conjure up some nice discussion.
The game is pretty passive and had been playing for a couple of hours already. Lots of limping into pots, it is not uncommon to see 4-7 players limping into an unraised pot.
I was in middle position and there were three limpers in the pot ahead of me.
I raised to 8 bucks with AJd.
SB called,
BB called,
EP limper raises making it 18 to go. (Old timer who knows what he is doing)
I call, the rest of the table folds. Total pot of about 50 bucks.
Flop is Kd, Qs, 7d
EP limper bets 10, I call(nut flush draw and a straight draw with a $70 pot)
4th St is the 5d---giving me the nut flush.
EP limper bets 10, I raise10 , he raises 10, I cap betting with $10. Total pot of $130
5th st is Qh...
I bet, EP raises, I call.
The total pot was 170 bucks.
Here are my thoughts on the hand
I put the EP limper on a bigger pocket pair preflop. There was too much money in the pot not to see the flop, IMO.
Flop betting actually changed my mind on his hand, maybe he was on a weaker flush draw or had AK.
Turn betting Capped?, I figured him for a weaker flush than mine, with him putting me on a trips???. I thought maybe his raise preflop was a Isolation raise to narrow the field.
River betting, I was so confused I just called his raise after I bet.
What do you think he had based on his play and betting.
I will post the results after I get a few responses... |
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ejmarkee
Pair
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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Location: Lena, Illinois
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ambitious207
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Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: Maine
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Either KK or QQ. |
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ejmarkee
Pair
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Location: Lena, Illinois
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| anxious to see the results i'm probably way off |
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SenorHMAN
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Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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Location: Houston
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| IMO...i think he has KK...trips on the flop...and the lucky full house on the river. |
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pokeropie
Royal Flush
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Location: Ohio
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| k q suited |
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Paprika
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Joined: 08 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll say AQo |
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texaslimitking1
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Location: united kindom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| id say Q Q |
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bigwheell
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Location: North Dakota
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
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QQ for quads...
With his turn aggression, I almost thought he had a lower flush than mine. I just couldn't see him betting back at me with three of a kind.
Now my question for those deep think out there. Did I overplay my hand on the turn? I had the nuts at that time, and the only thing I could have lost too was a pair on the board with the river card.
I think I played it alright, but thoughts linger about my capping on the turn. I think he was about 25% to draw to a full house or better, would you cap or keep the pot smaller. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| bigwheell wrote: |
QQ for quads...
With his turn aggression, I almost thought he had a lower flush than mine. I just couldn't see him betting back at me with three of a kind.
Now my question for those deep think out there. Did I overplay my hand on the turn? I had the nuts at that time, and the only thing I could have lost too was a pair on the board with the river card.
I think I played it alright, but thoughts linger about my capping on the turn. I think he was about 25% to draw to a full house or better, would you cap or keep the pot smaller. |
A lot of players will cap with a high set on the turn because of the redraw to the full house and the fact that they can just as easily be up against two-pair and a lower set (and sometimes top pair with the nut flush redraw).
For your question, you did not overplay your hand imho, in fact I always bet and raise the nuts, I don't think there is a situation I can think of on the fly where you would not want to raise the nuts if someone will cap with you--at the very least I would have to be shown something like a 7 way situation where you have to dodge nearly every card in the deck etc, and that will probably not happen very often.
One thing I will note is that when you have a made hand like a straight or a flush and a war erupts on the turn, you must face the possibility of losing the hand if the board simply pairs. Your river bet imho should have been a check call--in fact I had a similar situation happen in 3 multiway pots where the turn betting was capped on friday, each time the board paired river and I sighed and check called (but I managed to never bet out once). This is the pain of poker that you eventually get over and you can do no better than charging the maximium for your opponents to draw and giving the minimum when they hit.
Still a well played hand  |
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Paprika
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| When he limped in it was probably hard to put him on a big PP like that. I know I wouldn't. The RR after your raise is a bit suspicious though. Why would one ever want to limp with a big opair like that in what you know will be a mulit way pot? At least get some PF money in there. |
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bigwheell
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Location: North Dakota
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply's.
I bet the river thinking that he actually had a weaker flush draw than mine, based on his turn play. After the river raise I knew I was beat, but I had to call.
About 3 hands later about 02:45am, the table broke up and I ended up taking a small loss for the night.
I did not feel like sitting at the 3-20 table. Most of those guys had multiple stacks of $2 chips about a foot high each.
Deadmoney,
I reloaded at UB again last night to take advantage of the 100% reload bonus...
I am having a heck of a run right now....35BB/100 hands over 300 hands now playing full ring .50/1
stop by and say hi... I will be trolling in the .50/1 for a few more weeks... |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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good deal guy, and yes 100% reload is great. as for stopping by to say hi, how do you know I haven't already 
I'm sure I'll see you if you play some 6max, not tonight but definately later this week. Good luck and have fun playing, back to work for me. |
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Paprika
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| PS-Any special tips for the spread limit LHE game? I haven't seen one yet at my card rooms but just in case I run into one. |
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griffinlord
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Now my question for those deep think out there. Did I overplay my hand on the turn? I had the nuts at that time, and the only thing I could have lost too was a pair on the board with the river card.
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Any time you are even a slight favorite (50.000001% or better) all bets are +EV. This is when you want to get money in the pot.
If I've done my counting correctly you were roughly 75% to win the hand after the turn card fell. That means you want as much money in the pot as possible.
With a paired board on the river and a smart opponent check/call the river. |
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