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bigwheell · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: FT v. PP

I have most recently moved over from playing limit on PP and started here on FT playing .50/1.00 limit and here are a couple of my observations and thoughts...

One thing that I have noticed is that there is only 3-4 tables going at one time at each particular limit. This is where I think having Poker Tracker and using gametime+ or PAHUD is much more useful than while playing at PP or the bigger sites. I would sometimes go 3 or 4 days and not find anyone I had played against before at Party Poker. There were usually between 70-100 ten handed .50/1 limit tables on PP in the evenings.

I have played about 2500 hands on FT at the .50/1 level, and I see the same faces each day...I two tabled this morning after I got off work and there were 6 of us playing the same two tables. It does not take long to get an idea of how your opponents play, I think I have over 800 hands logged with a couple of players already.

One thing that I have noticed already is that people generally on FT are more aggressive than on PP and you cannot get away with limping with speculative hands as much on this site as you will get raised and reraised too often and have to through your weak cards away.

At PP, 10 handed I usually had a VP$IP around 25-30% with a BB/100 of around 2. I saw lots of hands from late position, because players were not as aggressive as they are on FT, and you could limp on the cheap.

At FT, my VP$IP has shrunk down to about 18-20% over 2500 hands and I have a BB/100 of about 3.5 at .50/1 limit.

I think the difference in BB/100 on each site is that I multitabled at PP playing 3-4-5 tables and at FT I am playing 1-2 tables.

I had a lower BB/100 at PP, but I could see 1000 hands in 2 1/2 hours 5 tabling at PP in the same amount of time I could see roughly 200-300 hands two tabling.

The caliber of play has been about the same on FT as it was on PP playing .50/1, FT players seem to be a little more aggressive preflop, but are still pretty weak tight post flop. I am going to keep grinding away at .50/1 until I get to 600 bucks and then I am going to make the jump to 1-2.

I have played quite a bit of 1-2 on PP, and I do not think I will have too tough of a transition to 1-2. I had my first big stumble when I made the jump to 2-4 on PP, and if any of you have read my other posts, you all know why I think I failed to make the jump to 2-4.

Comments or questions are always appreciated...

griffinlord · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: Re: FT v. PP

bigwheell · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:07 am Post subject:

I agree with you completely about taking shots at the next level before you make the jump...

I probably will not stay at .50/1 for too long, I might just add a few hundred to my roll next payday...

I know that I can handle 1-2 so I might just as well avoid several months of grinding at .50/1.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:29 am Post subject:

I sat down at one of the 6max 1/2 here the other day and lost about $12 but my decisions were nearly 100%. If that table is a sign of what play is like here I will definately move the UB roll over to at least clear $100 bonus I whored on Fri. I'll let peeps know so they can take a shot at me for a little stint after I clear the UB bonus. Should be fun at the least and you guys can distribute my money amongst you as you like Wink

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

I'm probably coming over to 1/2 on FTP in the next few days as well for the reload bonus. Do any of you guys have any experience with clearing their bonuses at 1/2?

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:18 am Post subject:

ballpark figure i'd guess around $50 a day 4 tabling depending on how many hours you plan to put in

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

Thanks. I'll be playing 2 tables most of the time though, because that's what I'm comfortable with right now and the overlap on FTP might drive me crazy if I try to add another table.

UFO1947 · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject:

you guys are talking about 1/2 limit holdem right?, i want to bump up to that level, I'm so tired of battling down in the micros.

If I'm going to get my butt kicked it might as well be while playing for dollars instead of cents.

so for me to play 1/2 lhe i need a BR of about $800?

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

It depends on who you ask UFO. I usually try to have 500 big bets for the level I'm playing.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I don't like overlap either and if you don't have the resolution just put some tunes on so you can zone out and relax while donk #1 takes his time calling 3 cold with A rag.

UFO that's a decent BR, enough anyway to feel confident with making what you feel are correct decisions without the $$ involved entering your thought process. Although, even as bad as the micros play, you should practice winning there--you beat people enough times with good cards a little table image always seeps through. That or the table will break because they get frustrated. A lot of people jump over the micros though so I won't tell you to do differently (some people consider 1/2 micro but you can pay rent with it so a big diff in my mind).

griffinlord · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject:

bigwheell · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject:

At .50/1 I have cleared 12 bucks or so with 2500 hands, as far as the bonus goes...I have until december to clear it all, so I should have time to get it all released.

Sounds like we may have a small community of 1-2 players shortly. I play full ring and I know that a few of you play 6 max, but I will bet that we will cross paths at the tables..

bigwheell · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject:

I am playing right now and there are (12) 1/2 tables full ring and (10) .50/1 full ring going right now with almost 27k people on the site.

Makes this post from yesterday look kinda silly when I say only 3 or 4 tables at any limit. That was in the morning after I got off work at 8am.

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