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blkhwk67t
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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: How to keep more people in a pot? |
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Ok I just read HuJwang's post and I had the opposite problem as him.
Hand #35084108-47906 at Aiken ($.05/$.10 Hold'em)
Started at 13/Oct/06 12:13:03
JasonFW30 is at seat 0 with $.41.
34ME 14U is at seat 1 with $4.26.
airwick258 is at seat 2 with $9.55.
phil1247 is at seat 3 with $1.57.
NO_NUTZZ is at seat 4 with $.44.
tomdelay is at seat 5 with $7.71.
madramor is at seat 6 with $5.15.
Bigbohica is at seat 7 with $3.90.
sweepthelegdl is at seat 8 with $6.30.
ChessBox is at seat 9 with $7.09.
The button is at seat 4.
tomdelay posts the small blind of $.02.
madramor posts the big blind of $.05.
JasonFW30: -- --
34ME 14U: -- --
airwick258: Qs Qc
phil1247: -- --
NO_NUTZZ: -- --
tomdelay: -- --
madramor: -- --
Bigbohica: -- --
sweepthelegdl: -- --
ChessBox: -- --
Pre-flop:
Bigbohica calls. sweepthelegdl folds. ChessBox
folds. JasonFW30 raises to $.10. 34ME 14U calls.
airwick258 re-raises to $.15. phil1247 folds.
NO_NUTZZ folds. tomdelay folds. madramor folds.
Bigbohica re-raises to $.20. JasonFW30 calls. 34ME
14U calls. airwick258 calls.
Flop (board: Qh Qd 5h):
Bigbohica checks. JasonFW30 checks. 34ME 14U
checks. airwick258 bets $.05. Bigbohica folds.
JasonFW30 folds. 34ME 14U folds. airwick258 is
returned $.05 (uncalled).
Hand #35084108-47906 Summary:
$.04 is raked from a pot of $.87.
airwick258 wins $.83.
The reason that I didnt check was that I was playing the table bully and everyone was giving me way to much credit for my bets and I thought that a check would have seemed fishy to them. I just figured that with 4 players w/ a capped pot seeing the flop, they would have seen my bet as a continuation bet and call or check raise.
How would you of played this hand? What would you have done if a blank came on the turn? Check? What if the turn was a heart or A or K? Checkraise or Smoothcall? Thanks. |
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bigwheell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think you played it alright. You were just unlucy that he did not catch anything in that hand. You could have waited until the turn to bet, but like you said that would have seemed suspicious since you were leading and betting all the time in other hands.
You just got unlucky that the flop did not hit him in any way... |
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KGBlovesOreos
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| bigwheell wrote: |
| You just got unlucky that the flop did not hit him in any way... |
Well, I mean he did use up 66% of the flop to begin with, and you know that the five out there didn't help anybody.
I understand why you bet, and it makes sense, but you just picked the wrong situation. You usually want to make this move on a board where you not only flop the nuts, but a board where your opponent likely hit some sort of decent hand or even draw. On a QQ5 board, there is no chance your opponent would be willing to play a big pot even if he did hit the five. However, on a flop of QQA, it would make more sense to bet out here instead, wouldn't it? |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I think a bet is ok here too though, because a lot of people will call with any pocket pair or ace. This seems to be especially true when the board is paired and the pot is big, as long as the pair isn't aces. |
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bigwheell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| I think a bet is ok here too though, because a lot of people will call with any pocket pair or ace. This seems to be especially true when the board is paired and the pot is big, as long as the pair isn't aces. |
This is my reasoning behind betting this flop...You would think someone would have had a pocket pair or something worth calling a few more bets when preflop betting was capped...
If I see this flop and the betting was preflop capped, I am going to be aggressive on the flop betting...If he would have bet into me in this exact situation, I would have raised and played back at him with AA, KK, JJ, AK and maybe even 10 10. With 2 Queens on the flop, it more than likely the flop didn't hit him either and betting may win you the hand. IMO, the aggressor is going to win this hand(unless the other guy is holding quads.)
I would be aggressive on the flop betting and slow down and probably let the hand go if I still get resistance or aggression from him on the turn. |
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blkhwk67t
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: |
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That's what I was thinking bigwheel. With all the preflop betting w/ 4 people going to the flop, I was almost positive that someone would stay in the hand w/ me.
My question is how would I (holding the quads) get the most out of someone like you bigwheel? Let's just say you had pkt A's (remember I have been very aggressive w/ pre & post flop betting and pretty much bullying the table) you reraise my bet. What would make you more weary, me reraising or just calling? I think that calling your rereraise would be the best action. If I 3 bet and you call, then the turn comes a blank you are either done w/ the hand or in check call mode. If I just call your reraise, you might be inclined to raise again on the turn (correct?) and then I could reraise or just call. I'm just trying to figure out how to optimize my profit against a good aggressive player like yourself. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to reiterate the SSHE concept that these types of pots come up so rarely that it is probably worth more spending your time trying to fix leaks or improve decisions in more common situations. There is rarely a wrong way to play a monster. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Good point DM. It can still make for some interesting discussions though.  |
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gho
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| everyone was giving me way to much credit for my bets |
Just a different opinion...it sounds to me like the table was playing weak-tight post-flop. At a more LAG table, betting out would probably be the correct play. At this table, checking and allowing players to catch up probably would have been a more optimal since likely players won't call/raise bets unless they've hit a decent flop. Weak tight tables are usually tough to extract big pots so have to take what you can get since the players are only playing their own cards and not thinking about whether your stealing or not. With such a huge hand, you can afford to wait till the turn/river since you won't get much action before then with that type of flop. |
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cheecho
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand and agree with the above posts. They all have good points. But, what about checking to let someone catch up (which is obvious) but also, the bet doubles. So at the very least if someone wants to see if you have a hand they will have to pay double, and you gain 2 bets instead of loosing 1. |
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bigwheell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I would probably lead on the flop and hope for a call. Make it look like a continuation bet, then check raise the turn. The hand should be over at that point, as the player should be smart enough to figure out that he is beat...if not, keep raising!!! |
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AllInDrawinDead
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Usually when the pot is capped preflop, anyone with AA or KK is already committed to the pot enough to at least call you down. Therefore, leading out is fine. |
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