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griffinlord
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Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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Location: The Great Plains of South Dakota
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| Riddim wrote: |
| I agree UFO, but I think that Small Stakes Hold 'em should come first. |
I can't tell much about OP's experience level from one post, but if he has read nothing I would back up even further and start with Winning Low Limit HE WLLH can be read/absorbed in a few days while SSHE is going to take some time and effort to absorb. Sort of like performing first aid to stop the really bad bleeding quickly before sending the injured off to surgery. |
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ambitious207
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Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 2130
Location: Maine
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
those ones are not nearly as stupid as this hand... the first guy flopped 2 pair, only to be sucked out by me with a straight, only to be sucked out by a complete retard with a boat.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1097494782: Table Hillcrest (speed) - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 14:44:55 ET - 2006/10/13
Seat 1: midnightholdem ($10.25)
Seat 2: PokerJunkies_us ($20.70)
Seat 3: cmfiste ($15.45), is sitting out
Seat 4: ChaseStar989 ($32.80)
Seat 5: jcarr12 ($15.90)
Seat 6: josh josh josh ($10.25)
Seat 7: HuJwang ($12.55)
Seat 8: GOOBERx ($6.65)
Seat 9: ksbdog ($10.35)
midnightholdem posts the small blind of $0.10
PokerJunkies_us posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HuJwang [9s 8d]
ChaseStar989 calls $0.25
jcarr12 folds
josh josh josh folds
HuJwang calls $0.25
jcarr12 is sitting out
GOOBERx calls $0.25
ksbdog calls $0.25
midnightholdem folds
jcarr12 stands up
PokerJunkies_us checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Tc Js]
PokerJunkies_us bets $0.25
ChaseStar989 folds
HuJwang calls $0.25
GOOBERx folds
ksbdog calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [4c Tc Js] [7s]
PokerJunkies_us bets $0.50
HuJwang raises to $1
ksbdog raises to $1.50
Lew123 adds $5
PokerJunkies_us calls $1
HuJwang raises to $2
ksbdog calls $0.50
PokerJunkies_us calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [4c Tc Js 7s] [4s]
PokerJunkies_us checks
HuJwang bets $0.50
ksbdog raises to $1
PokerJunkies_us calls $1
HuJwang calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ksbdog shows [7h 4h] (a full house, Fours full of Sevens)
PokerJunkies_us mucks
HuJwang mucks
ksbdog wins the pot ($10.60) with a full house, Fours full of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.10 | Rake $0.50
Board: [4c Tc Js 7s 4s]
Seat 1: midnightholdem (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: PokerJunkies_us (big blind) mucked [Th Jc] - two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 3: cmfiste is sitting out
Seat 4: ChaseStar989 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jcarr12 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: josh josh josh didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: HuJwang mucked [9s 8d] - a straight, Jack high
Seat 8: GOOBERx folded on the Flop
Seat 9: ksbdog (button) showed [7h 4h] and won ($10.60) with a full house, Fours full of Sevens
by the way... if you're going to tell me i shouldn't be playing 98o, well ksbdog had been playing (i would guess) 3/4 of his hands, including anything that was suited (even things like 93s). he also overcalled re-raises with crap like bottom pair so i knew that a hand such as a straight would have much bigger than normal implied odds. |
I'm not a huge limit player, but I would still have to say playing 89 in that position was a pretty suspect play. Just because 1 player is playing bad doesn't mean that you should try to chase down hands to try to gain extra bets that he will give you. Play strong hands and do the same thing. As for how you played the hand after the flop, I'd say you played it pretty well. Just my 2 cents. |
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bodking
High Card
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: A little help, I'm doing terrible |
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Hi
Some suggestions i hope they help.
FullTiltPoker Game #1096932411: Table Reno - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 10:30:51 ET - 2006/10/13
Seat 1: CInferno ($64.55)
Seat 2: Verdimaal ($22.65)
Seat 3: QxQ_2 ($8.70)
Seat 4: Canlis ($14.10)
Seat 5: Res Ipsa Loq ($2.70)
Seat 6: jackleg001 ($16.05)
Seat 7: Keywells ($17.70)
Seat 8: AmericanAirline ($13.90)
Seat 9: Custom Style ($57.90)
AmericanAirline posts the small blind of $0.10
Custom Style posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AmericanAirline [Tc Ts]
Verdimaal folds
QxQ_2 folds
Canlis raises to $0.50
Probably A Pair or High cards
Res Ipsa Loq folds
jackleg001 folds
Keywells folds
AmericanAirline raises to $0.75
Correct Play
Custom Style calls $0.50
Called a raise & re raise,would put on a pair but not a hi pair or Hi Suited Cards .
Canlis calls $0.25
Would put on Hi cards.
*** FLOP *** [4s 6s 3d]
AmericanAirline bets $0.25
Correct play
Custom Style raises to $0.50
Raising to see where he/she is.Maybe Betting the Spade Flush or Straight Draw both of which are on.
Canlis folds
AmericanAirline raises to $0.75
With this flop and a re raise the corect play would be a defensive call and not a reraise in my opinion ( some may disagree )
Canlis is sitting out
Custom Style has 15 seconds left to act
Custom Style calls $0.25
Correct play
*** TURN *** [4s 6s 3d] [5h]
AmericanAirline bets $0.50
This play in my opinion wrong,You know he/she has no hi cards so must be on a draw,when the 5H giving an open ended Straight Draw you should have checked/Called.
Custom Style raises to $1
AmericanAirline calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [4s 6s 3d 5h] [Qs]
AmericanAirline bets $0.50
Very wrong play.Custom has just Raised your bet , should have Checked/Called or Check/Folded
Custom Style calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AmericanAirline shows [Tc Ts] (a pair of Tens)
Custom Style shows [7h 7s] (a straight, Seven high)
Custom Style wins the pot ($6.45) with a straight, Seven high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.75 | Rake $0.30
Board: [4s 6s 3d 5h Qs]
Seat 1: CInferno is sitting out
Seat 2: Verdimaal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: QxQ_2 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Canlis folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Res Ipsa Loq didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: jackleg001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Keywells (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: AmericanAirline (small blind) showed [Tc Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: Custom Style (big blind) showed [7h 7s] and won ($6.45) with a straight, Seven high
A few words of Help hopfully
Dont marry your cards
Plan your moves
Think
Think
Think
Adapt
Outplay dont play with.
Good luck and see u on the felt.
ps Get "PLAY LIKE THE PROS" PHIL HELMUTH JR
It helped me.
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Zophar
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Location: East Coast
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ambitious207 wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
those ones are not nearly as stupid as this hand... the first guy flopped 2 pair, only to be sucked out by me with a straight, only to be sucked out by a complete retard with a boat.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1097494782: Table Hillcrest (speed) - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 14:44:55 ET - 2006/10/13
Seat 1: midnightholdem ($10.25)
Seat 2: PokerJunkies_us ($20.70)
Seat 3: cmfiste ($15.45), is sitting out
Seat 4: ChaseStar989 ($32.80)
Seat 5: jcarr12 ($15.90)
Seat 6: josh josh josh ($10.25)
Seat 7: HuJwang ($12.55)
Seat 8: GOOBERx ($6.65)
Seat 9: ksbdog ($10.35)
midnightholdem posts the small blind of $0.10
PokerJunkies_us posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HuJwang [9s 8d]
ChaseStar989 calls $0.25
jcarr12 folds
josh josh josh folds
HuJwang calls $0.25
jcarr12 is sitting out
GOOBERx calls $0.25
ksbdog calls $0.25
midnightholdem folds
jcarr12 stands up
PokerJunkies_us checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Tc Js]
PokerJunkies_us bets $0.25
ChaseStar989 folds
HuJwang calls $0.25
GOOBERx folds
ksbdog calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [4c Tc Js] [7s]
PokerJunkies_us bets $0.50
HuJwang raises to $1
ksbdog raises to $1.50
Lew123 adds $5
PokerJunkies_us calls $1
HuJwang raises to $2
ksbdog calls $0.50
PokerJunkies_us calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [4c Tc Js 7s] [4s]
PokerJunkies_us checks
HuJwang bets $0.50
ksbdog raises to $1
PokerJunkies_us calls $1
HuJwang calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ksbdog shows [7h 4h] (a full house, Fours full of Sevens)
PokerJunkies_us mucks
HuJwang mucks
ksbdog wins the pot ($10.60) with a full house, Fours full of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.10 | Rake $0.50
Board: [4c Tc Js 7s 4s]
Seat 1: midnightholdem (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: PokerJunkies_us (big blind) mucked [Th Jc] - two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 3: cmfiste is sitting out
Seat 4: ChaseStar989 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jcarr12 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: josh josh josh didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: HuJwang mucked [9s 8d] - a straight, Jack high
Seat 8: GOOBERx folded on the Flop
Seat 9: ksbdog (button) showed [7h 4h] and won ($10.60) with a full house, Fours full of Sevens
by the way... if you're going to tell me i shouldn't be playing 98o, well ksbdog had been playing (i would guess) 3/4 of his hands, including anything that was suited (even things like 93s). he also overcalled re-raises with crap like bottom pair so i knew that a hand such as a straight would have much bigger than normal implied odds. |
I'm not a huge limit player, but I would still have to say playing 89 in that position was a pretty suspect play. Just because 1 player is playing bad doesn't mean that you should try to chase down hands to try to gain extra bets that he will give you. Play strong hands and do the same thing. As for how you played the hand after the flop, I'd say you played it pretty well. Just my 2 cents. |
I actually like HuJwang's play here if this is a typical preflop scenario. When playing limit(or NL for that matter), the typical best hand goes from TP to 2 PR. at minimum when over 4 players are involved with a hand. Drawing hands become far superior in the long run. For every 3 or 4 bets or more that are lost after the missed flop are typically made up and then some when you hit the hand. There is a great P5's article about low level Limit Hold'em. I'm working on 3 hours sleep, man do I feel retarded. |
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