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deadmoney314 · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: level 6

Eventually in poker, if you want to be a consistant winner, you have to make better hands fold. This is not a request for help with hand analysis but a guide to what aggression looks like in FLHE. Enjoy Smile

Villain is an aquaintence and strong player 24/14/3, knows me well enough that he is expecting aggression and frequently tries to outplay me and succeeds occasionally (at least in not allowing me to get more value sometimes)

Hand #35085258-26318 at Duncan ($1/$2 Hold'em)
Started at 11/Oct/06 21:20:08

A is at seat 0 with $97.50.
B is at seat 1 with $74.
C is at seat 2 with $4.75.
D is at seat 3 with $137.50.
Hero is at seat 4 with $82.
Villain is at seat 5 with $100.
The button is at seat 3.

Hero posts the small blind of $.50.
Villain posts the big blind of $1.

A: -- --
B: -- --
C: -- --
D: -- --
Hero: Kd 4s
Villain: -- --

Pre-flop:

A folds. B folds. C
folds. D folds. Hero raises to $2.
Hero <-- strong believer of K-high being favored over a random hand
Villain re-raises to $3. Hero calls.
Hero <-- can't not see the flop, Villain is capable of doing this with a worse hand enough of the time to make this a good call. Additionally, we both never fold preflop to each other, it would be a ***** in the armor and start abuse of the other player in future situations. If I fold here he will look for more spots, not necessarily in the blinds, to get me to fold and this is important to let him know that I don't back down to mere PF aggression. He will have to out play me if he is behind and he will have to defend vigorously if he is ahead. He knows this and I know this.

Flop (board: 9s 5c 3d):

Hero checks. Villain bets $1. Hero
calls.
You might think strange call here, why not check-raise and try to outplay if I planned to continue. Like I said before, many hands have been played between us and we are currently multi-tabling 3 tables and this is only one of the hands being played. Typically, a strong hand (which is considered just pairing the board between us with our aggression... you'd be surprised how many A-high kicker wars we play) will not be as aggressive on the flop waiting for more value on the turn. My intent here is to check-raise later if I sense weakness. My feeling at the time was high cards only some of which I am winning against (bad kick to my K high).

Turn (board: 9s 5c 3d 6s):

Hero checks. Villain bets $2. Hero
raises to $4. Villain folds. Hero is
returned $2 (uncalled).

Here I sensed weakness with the smallest hesistation before the bet. Now hesistation could mean a lot of other things, action at another table, lag etc., but he typically focuses in on hands against me ignoring action on another table and acting on hands with me first because they require his attn. The c/r has a lot of fold equity in that I rarely if ever try to bluff him with turn aggression and he knows it. Additionally I now have many ways to win the hand if he calls and I'm certain they are all good. This is because I know he folds two high cards here everytime (against me) so he will only call if he paired the board along the way, the only hand that comes to mind is A-rag. If he calls I'm certain that my 3 outs to hit a K are not discounted and can be added to my 8 outs for a total of 11, also I know he is stubborn enough to pay me at the river if i do hit and I can check fold to his certain river bet if I miss. If he re-raises I'm done because he has the spade draw (yes he always tries to re-raise me with a turned flush draw) or a set or PP, basically all the hands that are bad news for me.

Hand #35085258-26318 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $12.
Hero wins $11.50.
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KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

Very good analysis of the hand deadmoney. Your posts, especially your FLHE posts, are very insightful.

BTW, you're joining my FLHE MBJ league. I think you may be a potential first-round pick, hehe. (look in the player's lounge if you think I'm just drunk off my ass and make no sense)

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:55 am Post subject:

Your hand analysis seems on the mark, and it works most of the time at the 1-2 level heads up when your opponenet does not catch a big hand in the blinds. I have had success with it quite a bit, it works well against late position limpers and raisers, as well as the blinds using this strategy against a single opponent. As you mentioned, aggression is the key to winning these battles.

One thing that I have noticed is that you may have to lead on 5th as well to take the pot down. Most of my hands are logged at PP(traitor bastards) and more often than not, I will see an impulsive call after my check raise on 4th. Players will almost always call my check raise, I will then lead on 5th and take down the pot, doesn't work all the time but it works enough... Usually in this situation if I check the river card I am beat, and I need to throw out that 2 bucks to induce a fold from my opponent.

On a side note, this strategy does not work quite so well at .50/1 or lower. IMHO, players do not have the willpower to throw away what they conceive to be a second best hand and will go to the river with you most of the time if for no other reason than to just see what you have.

Comments???

cpitt398 · High Card Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 4

I thought this was a joke, but it seems to be real. Good news is you have a lot of room to improve, so you have that to look foward too.

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:06 am Post subject:

Third post on this site and you are still a pompous little twit. You must be excited to finally be going through puberty...

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:

I do not want to take away from this thread or otherwise get off kilter with this cpitt charector. I will not respond to any more of cpitt's comments on this or any other threads...

He just came across as a jerk in his response to my comments in another thread, and then he came and posted an insult here after my reply in this thread as well.

My first forum stalker...

deadmoney314 · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject:

The reason this works a good percentage of time is the type of opponent you select. More often than not, aggressive opponents respond to aggression better than calling stations by definition when you are looking to take the pot down before showdown. For instance, I would not try this move against an unknown, or a passive opponent, nor do I make this attempt often. People who don't believe you can out play people and/or never look for situations in FLHE have a lot of room for improvement in their game imho.

Edit #1 Here are my stats this week against this opponent after 1313 hands with him.

Riddim · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:

Nicely played, but I see one thing that I definitely disagree with and that's folding to a 3-bet on the turn. As long as you think that your non-flush straight outs are clean here, you simply have to call. Unless I completely miscounted the pot somehow, you're getting way better odds than you need to go for 6 outs.

bigwheell · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:56 am Post subject:

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

griffinlord · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:

bigwheell · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:40 am Post subject:

Thanks for the explanation...It makes sense now.

I was trying to figure out from where in poker tracker he took the information in that format...

deadmoney314 · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject:

KGB is right on, and I believe its under the misc. tab in PT where it has a list of all your opponents and your net against them including number of hands won or lost and totals. I left the name out because I think its tacky to disclose other people's information unless its anonymous. A nice feature you can check as well is available by double clicking an opponent in this list which brings you to their overall stats. For instance, that is how I know this opponent played over a thousand hands with me.

bigwheell · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:04 am Post subject:

Thanks for the explanation... It is much appreciated.

bottlecapthief · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject:

bump for the FL Forum...

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