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HuJwang
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Location: Halifax, NS
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 Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: keeping people in the pot? |
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I know it's a good idea to try to raise people out of the pot when you have only a pair, but how far should this concept be taken? Look at this hand:
Full Tilt Poker Game #1095642232: Table Hillcrest (speed) - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 23:19:53 ET - 2006/10/12
Seat 1: Jedidog ($11.25)
Seat 2: skcyr ($10.85)
Seat 3: kms147 ($7.05)
Seat 4: kdogg17 ($10.80)
Seat 5: MattHelm111 ($15.30)
Seat 6: Dr_Doogie_MD ($25)
Seat 7: RiverKingIII ($1.75)
Seat 8: HuJwang ($9.25)
Seat 9: OldWineGuy ($16.95)
skcyr posts the small blind of $0.10
kms147 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HuJwang [Ad Ac]
kdogg17 calls $0.25
MattHelm111 folds
RiverKingIII raises to $0.50
HuJwang raises to $0.75
OldWineGuy folds
Jedidog calls $0.75
skcyr folds
kms147 folds
kdogg17 calls $0.50
RiverKingIII raises to $1
HuJwang calls $0.25
Jedidog calls $0.25
kdogg17 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [4c 7c Th]
kdogg17 checks
RiverKingIII bets $0.25
HuJwang raises to $0.50
Jedidog has 7 seconds left to act
Jedidog folds
kdogg17 folds
RiverKingIII raises to $0.75, and is all in
HuJwang calls $0.25
RiverKingIII shows [Kc Ks]
HuJwang shows [Ad Ac]
*** TURN *** [4c 7c Th] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [4c 7c Th 5c] [Tc]
RiverKingIII shows a flush, King high
HuJwang shows a flush, Ace high
HuJwang wins the pot ($5.60) with a flush, Ace high
RiverKingIII is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.85 | Rake $0.25
Board: [4c 7c Th 5c Tc]
Seat 1: Jedidog (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: skcyr (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: kms147 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: kdogg17 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: MattHelm111 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Dr_Doogie_MD is sitting out
Seat 7: RiverKingIII showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 8: HuJwang showed [Ad Ac] and won ($5.60) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: OldWineGuy didn't bet (folded)
I'm specifically focusing on the flop here. If someone has a flush draw, or 98 for the straight draw, chances are they are staying in the pot no matter what, so raising the flop wouldn't knock them out anyway. The only realistic hands that are beating me right now are TT and 77, and possibly 44 since it's micro limit. The only hands (besides flush and straight draws, which won't fold anyway) that could improve would be stuff like K10 (which may hit 2 pair) or a different pocket pair which could hit a set.
I'm thinking I should have just called on the flop to encourage the others to stay in. Comments? |
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TedyKGB17
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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in nlhe don't slow play AA or KK unless u r HU, even then is risky.
and in limit, i wouldn't ever slow play AA or KK.
with those 2 clubs on the flop, i would let anybody hang around and catch their flush. |
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KGBlovesOreos
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Location: VA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: keeping people in the pot? |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| I'm thinking I should have just called on the flop to encourage the others to stay in. Comments? |
This is something you should use when you play, but not for hands as weak as one pair. If you flop something stronger such as a flush, a straight, or a boat, by all means you should try and keep everybody in the pot. Don't put in a second bet on the flop (or the turn) to allow for the overcalls everybody else behind you will probably make.
EDIT: With just one pair, specifically an overpair, you want to get in as many bets as you can. It is likely that you are ahead here, so you want to build the pot as quickly as possible to not only give chasers a not-so-great price, but to also bet your hand for value here. |
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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Joined: 27 Jun 2005
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Location: Isle of Tilt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed.
AA is still only one pair. Raise to drive people out. |
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bigwheell
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Location: North Dakota
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:09 am Post subject: |
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I think it the long run being aggresive will win you more money. I am an 89% winner with my AA hands over the last 25000 hands or so and I want to build the pot by capping it if possible.
Bet your hand for value at every chance, because most of the time you are going to be the winner. At the micro limits, people seem not to be so focus on what cards you may have in your hand. They are more prone to playing their cards without regard to what may be holding, not very many people are going to lay down an overpair to the board or top pair against your AA in this situation. My suggestion is to bet the heck out of it every chance possible. You are going to lose ocasionally with AA, but that is just poker...
Good luck...I have been playing at the .25/.50 tables on FT and it has been fun. Maybe I will see you around. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The only reason for calling that I can see in this hand would be if there were a few more people in the pot and you didn't have the ace of clubs. Then you might want to wait for a safe turn to raise to make sure that people with weak draws will make a mistake by calling. Not raising here to keep people in is a disaster. This is a big pot and I think your primary goal should be to win it. |
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JesperLaerke
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Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Slowplaying aces is a thing created by Satan; Beelzebub; The Horned One; The Devil Himself, with the aid of Baldrick from Blackadder.
In other words, don't slowplay aces. NEVER! |
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