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Pokernome135
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Calling with no pair/no draw? Reply with quote

I see alot of players call with no pair/no draw quite frequently on LHE games, and it can make the game a bit frustraiting [no matter how "correct" it may be]. I can see why a player may take another card with A-K or even A-Q on a 3-5-8 flop to try to make a good pair and if they have good odds, but when players start calling with King, Queen, and even Jack high, it gets a bit rediculas. I played the 50+5 DS HORSE tournament last night, and a very strange hand occured when we got to 3 handed. I raised from the button with K-K and was called by both blinds. The flop was very friendly, 9-high with little chance for a straight draw and comletly rainbow. Checked to me, I bet out and get called by the small blind. The turn is an Ace, an awful card, and I check after the SB checks to me, and the ace made the board 2 flushed. The river was the third flush card, and the SB bet out, and I called getting very good odds. The player turns over 8-7 of hearts for a flush, winning the pot and sevearly crippling me. His call on the flop completly baffled me, he called me with nothing, no pair, no draw, no anything. His only excuse was "pot odds" which wern't nearly enough to draw with no pair, no draw.

Sorry for the rant, I simply don't understand the idea of called anything when you must catch running cards to have any chance of winning.
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griffinlord
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Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Calling with no pair/no draw? Reply with quote

Pokernome135 wrote:

Sorry for the rant, I simply don't understand the idea of called anything when you must catch running cards to have any chance of winning.


But he had pot odds and was pot committed and they were sooooooted Rolling Eyes

A lot of recreational players have no idea what a long-shot a runner-runner draw is. As long as they can still make their draw they'll call it down thinking that they are getting correct odds.

And that's okay...as long as they don't suck out on you too many times in a row you'll be fine. And when you play your AQs and hit a bigger flush they are going to pay you off.
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UFO1947
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Joined: 08 Jun 2006
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Location: NS, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's why i worry about going to the Casino on a regualr basis when i start later this year, I'm about $600 away.

If somone did that and tried to tell me it was a great play i would have to shove all his chips down his throat.
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Riddim
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that seems way too loose, but he might've been trying to set up a steal after seeing someone do it on TV Very Happy. If it'd been 3-bet pre-flop I could actually see a case for playing his hand with that flop though. You just have to get used to people making weird calls if you're going to play limit. I had a guy call my river bet with an unimproved 9-7 a few days ago, it happens.
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Paprika
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Joined: 08 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't yet, wait till you play LHE around the 2-4 level live. I have played numerous times now at the 2-4 and almost always there is 8 seeing the flop, raises or not. You have to be patient and play a lot more draw type of hands that you wouldn't at a tight table. Tough when the winning hand shows down an 85s with no flush possibilty at all on board and hits another 85 and takes down a huge pot when you are showing a pair of Aces with a good kicker etc.
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Paprika
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS. Learned this here and elsewhere BTW
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broookeexo
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Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there donks 8)
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JesperLaerke
High Card


Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 16
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of days ago I was playing a low-limit SH FL game, and I was in complete control of the table, being able to get everyone to fold.

One time, after a particularly good bluff, I decided to show my hand just to see what would happen. Well now I couldn't raise anything without getting called for the next 20 minutes or so. No biggie, I just adjusted my play to waiting for the good hands and kept winning.

The point? Maybe you pissed the 78s guy off, like I did my opponents. People don't like it when people expose the fact they are bad poker players. Like this guy definitely is.

And now that I think about it, this bears little relevance to the topic. Oh well...
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