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ajnate
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OK, If everyone must have a way around this -
1) find a reputable offshore bank and open an account online.
2) Transfer funds to this new account
3) Make all deposit and withdrawls to this accountfrom your Online playing site
4) most would come with ATM cards
5) for larger withdrawals - wire transfer to your US Bank |
If this is truly what it takes to play online poker, I guarantee that 90+% of American players will say "thanks, but no thanks". And that's going to put a pretty big damper on the fish population of these sites. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not a good enough player to stay afloat if I have to play Matusow and Ivey every night instead of the current crops of Homer Simpsons out there. Unless Neteller (and their likes) remain a viable option for American players, there will be a HUGE impact on online poker. The fact that Party Poker -- the site with more fish than anyone (formerly) -- has already cut loose of American players is very troubling in my mind.
And to the moron (htrain) that is pounding on the Republicans as the bastion of all removals of personal freedoms... Wake up and smell the coffee. Our government as a whole has systematically been removing personal freedoms since FDR. This particular personal freedom may be more attributable to the Republicans than the Dems. But I promise you, voting Democrat will do absolutely no good if your goal is to preserve personal freedoms.
It's all about money and power -- and they are one and the same. The way I see it, the only way to keep this thing going is for the big time online poker sites to buy their way into the US political landscape. That is to give a lobbying group (PPA) a ton of money to fight to exclude poker from this legislation by removing it from the list of games of chance and including it in the games of skill. It worked for fantasy sports in this country, it can work for poker. The problem with this is, the current group of online poker sites may not gain much from doing this as it would then open up the ability for Vegas (and really anyone) to compete in this marketplace.
In the end, I fear we'll need to hope that the US gov't decides to leave the e-wallets alone on this issue. If not, we may still be able to play by being creative, but it becomes a whole lot more difficult to win. |
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htrain3434
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One thing you forgot Ajnate, a foreign address. There is always one issue that makes you vote one way or another, but when republicans continue to partner with the religious right and take away your freedoms it's time to vote for a different party.
Thanks for being a grown up and debating the issue! |
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ajnate
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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One thing you forgot Ajnate, a foreign address. There is always one issue that makes you vote one way or another, but when republicans continue to partner with the religious right and take away your freedoms it's time to vote for a different party.
Thanks for being a grown up and debating the issue! |
htrain: I have no idea what this post has to do with mine. Nothing in it makes sense. A foreign address for what? Did you even read my post? Are you referring to the "quote" from my post that I pretty much discredited with the entire body of my post?
And vote for a different party? By this I presume you mean vote Democrat. As I said, this will do nothing to accomplish the preserving of personal freedoms. Both parties are completely corrupted by a system that is run by money. There are very few core values when it comes to the American government -- or almost any government, really. The more money the government takes, the more personal freedoms we lose. With every dollar they spend, we lose one more dollar of choice. And if you truly believe that the Dems aren't interested in taking and spending your money, you are truly clueless.
But, I guess I should come to expect that from reading most of your other nonsense. If you truly want to debate this, you will lose. |
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htrain3434
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you see that party poker, titan poker, and others have already said they are freezing U.S. accounts. They don't care if you have a foreign bank account, you have a U.S. Address and therefore can not play at their site. |
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ajnate
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you see that party poker, titan poker, and others have already said they are freezing U.S. accounts. They don't care if you have a foreign bank account, you have a U.S. Address and therefore can not play at their site. |
It's irrelevant. I'll try one more time to make this perfectly clear, but please... follow closely. The first part of my 3:14 (GMT-5) post was a quote from UticaHoldEm's 12:26 post. In that post he gave several steps to getting around a US ban. My post QUOTED THAT POST and went on to say that if that is what it takes to play, it's still no good because the fish will not go thru those efforts. The fact that you can't have a US address is irrelevant to my point, because I'm saying it ain't worth it even if you could use a foreign bank account.
I can't be any clearer than that. |
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htrain3434
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, maybe I got a little pissed when you called me a moron because I don't agree with you. Other than that, i did not see where you quoted someone else and I apologize. |
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ajnate
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, maybe I got a little pissed when you called me a moron because I don't agree with you. Other than that, i did not see where you quoted someone else and I apologize. |
I never would have called you a moron if you weren't so naive (and so obnoxious in your postings) to believe that the Republicans are any more to blame for the f-d up political system we have right now than the Dems are. This quasi-socialist system lost sight of the Constitution under FDR (a raging Dem) and pretty much every President and Congress (Rep or Dem) since then has followed suit. I voted for Bush because I believed that he wanted to return some important choices to the people. I was wrong - or at least he accomplished none of it to date. But, trust me... John Kerry and Al Gore had no intentions of doing anything of the sort, either. They were so arrogant, they didn't even pretend to want to try.
This particular poker issue seems to have its roots in a Republican trying to stuff his personal view of morality down the throats of the rest us. Although it doesn't get much further than that one person if there isn't a money trail - or a HUGE public outry (which there wasn't). But believe me, if it weren't this personal liberty taken away, it would be others if the other party were in control. Just don't kid yourself into thinking that we'd be better off. We won't be better off until we remove money from the equation. And that will never be allowed to happen. As a result, the onlike poker industry will need to buy its way back into favor -- or we've lost a hobby for all intents and purposes. |
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SIZ7Z7LIN
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: NETELLER |
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| I HAVE A NETELLER DEBIT CARD AND YOU CAN WITHDRAW FROM ANY ATM MACHINE, IT LETS YOU CASH OUT UP TO 1000 PER DAY, SO I DONT THINK THE GOVT WILL HAVE A SAY IN ATMS BECAUSE THEY ARENT ALWAYS MONITERED BY THE BANKS, I THINK? |
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Ohio-iBook
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Welcome to the police state once known as The United States of America, whose founding words contained the following:
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| We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. |
These words are now meaningless. A mere footnote in history. George Orwell was right, only he was off by a couple of decades.
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War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength |
Don't look now: Big Brother is watching you. |
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jackninesuited
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| still dont really understand how a bank can stop u from cashing a check from a site bc its not like the it says that its an online gaming site company on the check. The source where the money is coming from may not say anything about the type of business it handles. |
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ajnate
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| still dont really understand how a bank can stop u from cashing a check from a site bc its not like the it says that its an online gaming site company on the check. The source where the money is coming from may not say anything about the type of business it handles. |
The banks will fight having to do that, tooth and nail. I think you're probably right. This will probably be an option. However, it's much less convenient. And takes MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more time to process. When something becomes more of a pain in the arse to do, the casual player will go away. I would still play, and most everyone that takes the time to read or post on these boards would still play. But, we're something more than the casual player. The casual player is what makes this game profitable.
It might not be a bad idea to invest in Western Union stock, though.  |
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calgal23
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Location: Palm Desert, Ca
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I can see it now:
Two lines at the Indian Casinos. One for Bingo and the other for online gambling. After all, they are an Independent and Sovereign Nation. Essentially they "rent" out Bingo machines to ppl when they play Bingo, so they could "rent" out computers to the online gamblers. When a person wins they get paid right then and there by the Indian Casino. I think they are doing something like that in Vegas, where the players sit down at a table and the table is computerized or maybe they tried that and it didn't work. I don't know, just throwing something out there for laughs. We need some laughs right now anyway. 
cya at the tables. Please be sure to laugh, this was not done with seriousness in mind. Though I do appreciate that this is not a laughing matter. |
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krazybangs
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you realize most offshore banks have a minimum BALANCE REQUIREMENT of $10,000..... most people don't wanna have that much in a bank just sitting offshores for poker. |
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mrbjc
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Online Poker Forum - Might have a way around the online bill. |
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OK, If everyone must have a way around this -
1) find a reputable offshore bank and open an account online.
2) Transfer funds to this new account
3) Make all deposit and withdrawls to this accountfrom your Online playing site
4) most would come with ATM cards
5) for larger withdrawals - wire transfer to your US Bank
If they have truely not made playing illegal, This would be the easiest way around the Banking ban.
I think the bigger problem maybe the blocking of site By US ISPs, Then there is no way around it. |
SHHHHH! Don't give anyone any ideas
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calgal23
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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As to the cashing of checks from the different poker entities:
The check is probably not going to say "Pokerroom" , or "Full Tilt Poker".
It will be from the parent company Kahnawake Gaming Commission, or whoever is the parent company to a particular online casino.
The bank is not going to go through each and every check from a gaming commission that is put through a bank. What are we going to do sign an affadavit swearing it wasn't gambling money.
Someone said to me that the US will probably do to internet gambling the same thing they did to the music everyone was downloading for free. Just get a few people and punish them to the full extent possible very publicly to scare the sh-- out of most everyone else. I don't know. I am somewhat confused by all of this and pissed. Why the hell couldn't they have just left this alone, and concentrate on the much more pressing issues that have already been mentioned here. |
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