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thepash
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Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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Location: Lafayette, IN

PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Poker - Skill vs. Luck Reply with quote

I believe I remember reading about Mike Caro testifying in a California case about gamling and taxes, arguing that poker was a skill game rather than luck. I thought the side that he was testifying for won the case, based in large part on his mathematical evidence. If someone has any more information or anything else to add, that would be greatly appreciated.
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DukeLeto
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Joined: 05 Oct 2006
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Thank You Full Tilt Poker Reply with quote

Thank You Full Tilt Poker.

For standing by your players.

For not panicing in times like this.

For you Katrina Relief effort promotions last year....

For my seat in the 2006 main event throug those promotions....

For your work in supporting poker...

I truly wish when the smokes clears that you are the largest and most successful site in the online poker world!
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digthatfunk
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Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too would like to express my gratitude to FTP for this. At a time when every poker site is basically aborting, you guys stand tall for what you believe. i love it. too bad everyone on this site is so good, or i'd play here all the time instead of taking donks' money at AP, but at least they're behind us US players too. only two sites i play at too, how lucky.

screw PS, PP, and all those other cop out sites.
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Irongirl01
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Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Posts: 2
Location: Upstate NY

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started on FTP when it was in Beta mode as a play money player. I have now been playing two years and recently deposited on the site for the first time to participate in a buy in league I belong too and for a Blogger tourney that moved here. FTP also stepped up to the plate and has sponsered my live league.

I would like to thank you for sponsering my live league and for sticking by us US players. Ill stick with you as long as you stick with us.

Thank you for keeping the lines of communication open. Just remember folks not to support the sites that bailed on us if they ever re-open to the USA.
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jackdog1
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Joined: 09 Oct 2006
Posts: 8
Location: Tennessee

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makes me feel a little better 8)
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chazt
Two Pair


Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 53

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank You Full Tilt !

Unlike many other poker sites that are panicing and booting US players you have done the right thing!


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dodge these
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Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 1008
Location: undisclosed

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BOYNAMEDSUE wrote:
The reply I got from Royal Vegas Poker.

Ever more reassuring.

Dear All

Some of you may have heard that a bill prohibiting unlawful internet gambling financial transactions was passed by Congress in the United States on Friday evening. This came as a great surprise to all of us in the industry because it was attached, at the eleventh hour, to a totally unrelated “Safe Ports” bill being considered in the last few days of the current Congressional session. There is obviously a great deal of speculation and panic in the marketplace as to what impact this Act might have on the businesses of our casino clients and consequently our business, so I thought it best to clarify the position for you, as we understand it from our advisers who have studied the new Act.

Firstly, the new Act does not make internet gambling illegal, nor does it attempt to do so. The Act is aimed primarily at payment processing activities. It makes various payment processing activities unlawful if done in relation to unlawful internet gambling - but what unlawful internet gambling is, is left to the existing law, which is as you may know remains rather grey and unsettled (except in the case of online sports-betting, which remains outlawed in the US). What was legal internet gaming last year therefore still remains legal in the future.


They just annouced they're locking my account tomorrow at noon...
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weretalkintrast
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: congressional act and firepay Reply with quote

so today, when i tried to transfer money from my firepay account into my fulltilt bank account, i got a message from firepay saying i would no longer be able to use firepay to transfer money into any gambling sites because of the on-line gambling act. so what do i do now?
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Spigwish
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Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario

PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have Firepay send you a cheque, and set up a netteller account.
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smokindog
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Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 637
Location: IL, USA

PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup....it's a firepay thing, not a Full Tilt thing.
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weretalkintrast
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

netteller doesn't operate in maryland, any other suggestions?
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Spigwish
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Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario

PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Western Union?
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gewgaws
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to FirePay,

- Effective immediately, FirePay will decline any purchase transactions from US FirePay account holders at any gambling merchant site.
- Starting October 23rd, 2006, FirePay will decline any transfer attempt made by any online gambling merchant to a US FirePay account. (emphasis mine)

This new policy does not affect FirePay account holders from outside of the United States.


I'm in the US and am VERY disturbed by this new legislation and its effects. While we wait for for the UIGEA to be overturned, what is the alternative for us US FirePay customers to fund our FTP accounts?

I've read plenty of NETeller recommendations, and there are rumors that they will continue to accept desposits and withdrawls (cashouts) from US customers. Can anybody confirm this? Are they active in New York? The actual, official policy (and this goes for all of Full Tilt's partner "payment processors") is hidden behind their login screen, visibile only to registered members.

What's the deal?
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dumwaldo
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Joined: 23 May 2006
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Location: look to the stars

PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gewgaws wrote:
what is the alternative for us US FirePay customers to fund our FTP accounts?


Neteller
Click2pay
Epassporte
Cash Transfer
Echeck
Visa/Mastercard
Rolling Eyes
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htrain3434
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Joined: 12 Jul 2006
Posts: 136

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neteller is going to abide by the law. Here is the link from card player regarding this. It's only a matter of time before all the sites do the same.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/article/3345
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