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deadmoney314
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Well since you aren't very good at this game, maybe we can find one that we both play, like poker and settle our score there--oh wait, you don't even play
536 posts on an online poker forum and you are here for what reason? I'll tell you what, you have issues. As for your again uneducated liberal media comment, tell me who Rupert H Murdock is, and name the 5 media companies that own all television stations, as for radio tell me who owns clearchannel and who has bought up news print media in the U.S. and going on to the entire world. I'll give you a hint, its not any liberal organizations, but I didn't expect you to know that--that's what I call the proverbial woll being pulled over your eyes if you think the media is liberal. |
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The_OG_Rocco
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Well since you aren't very good at this game, maybe we can find one that we both play, like poker and settle our score there--oh wait, you don't even play
536 posts on an online poker forum and you are here for what reason? I'll tell you what, you have issues. As for your again uneducated liberal media comment, tell me who Rupert H Murdock is, and name the 5 media companies that own all television stations, as for radio tell me who owns clearchannel and who has bought up news print media in the U.S. and going on to the entire world. I'll give you a hint, its not any liberal organizations, but I didn't expect you to know that--that's what I call the proverbial woll being pulled over your eyes if you think the media is liberal. |
I play for real money almost every week at real Brick and Mortars. I don't play for a living, I play mostly for fun. I do okay, but Negraneu does'nt need to worry about me.
I will never play for real money online, and that has been explained numerous times.
I used to make my living as an Executive Protection Agent for the former CEO of Warner Brothers Studios and the L.A. Dodgers.
Due to a brain tumor which has damaged my eye sight, I have left the Protection Industry.
I have met more celebrities and politicians than you ever will.
I have been behind the scenes. I have met Nancy Pelosi face to face when she came to visit my former boss. I have met Bill Clinton as well. I have also been in the homes of people like Rod Stewart, Sylvester Stallone, Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington, Martin Lawrence, Magic Johnson, etc...etc...
These politicians, including George Bush, DO NOT give a damn about you and I. We are ultimately their 'pawns'. These people only care about 2 things. Money$$$ and Power. If you can't see that, you are a lost sheep. 
The CEO who I loyally worked for is also very rich and influential. When he found out that I could not work for him anymore, he did not offer me any help for me and my family. Ultimately, I was easily replaced in his eyes. In the grand scheme of things, the rich can care less about us. We are merely their servants. If you are not rich and connected, you are on your own.
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deadmoney314
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I'm sorry to hear about your brain tumor and that you were released from your career in that fashion. Its too bad you didn't work in MN where there are rich people that do care about their workers, in fact they make really strong coorporations when people feel that they are not just a commodity to be classified as an asset or liability. Take 3M and Best Buy for example, these aren't perfect companies but they differ from Wal-Mart. I don't subscribe to your belief that all rich people are only motivated by money, but money is the driving force behind the horrible decisions that a minority of leading republicans have forced upon this nation in the past 6 years. I'm sorry that you worked in hollywood and didn't realize the conglomeration of media going on right under your nose and I'm also sorry that you may not be able to comprehend that the media has been purchased by the conservatives who still use the term "liberal media" in a Orwellian irony. This creates a conservative bias that you don't even know you have until you examine it and probably gave you reason to stereotype the democratic leaders that actually are inspired and have agendas that include more than just making as much money as possible. In fact, when the middle class is represented by democrats on capital hill working bi-partisanly with republicans, everyone wins. For instance:
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ajnate
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| People like you that stereotype all progressives are simply brainwashed by the conservative media that owns nearly all TV/radio/print broadcasting and you can either start looking into the facts by signing up for a library card or you can go on with your blissful ignorance |
DM: I'm not sure what your definition of "progressive" is, so I'll leave that one alone for the moment. As for the media being dominated by conservatives... please. Before ten, maybe fifteen years ago, conservatives had virtually no voice in the media outside of the Wall Street Journal. It's only in recent years that they've gotten a voice in cable TV and talk radio. But, the over-the-air TV and print media message is still 80 to 90% liberal.
And even most of the outlets for "conservatisim" have lost sight of the Constitution, and the reasons behind the words. I'm not sure the liberals in the media ever read it.
This country has trended towards socialism since the 1930's and FDR's alphabet soup. I have no hope of reversing that trend during my lifetime when a significant chunk of our population give credibility to trying to save a scam program like social security, and not only keeping, but EXPANDING Medicare into a national healthcare program. It's an absolute farce. They don't care that the 15% that our govt collects on our paychecks every two weeks for these two programs (that will undoubtedly go bankrupt under govt control) would make every man, woman, and child independently wealthy by the time they retire. If that were to happen, then we wouldn't be dependent on them. They can't have that.
And that's a fact. It's extremely easy to demonstrate with the help of any online financial calculator. Yet we can't even get these Washington morons to even allow us to control a fraction of what we pay in social sec/medicare (aka payroll taxes) because "we can't allow the sheep to gamble with their retirement". What they fail to mention is that if we gamble and lose, there's virtually no difference than letting them keep it.
By the way... this is all before we even begin to discuss income taxes, gasoline taxes, cigarette/alcohol taxes, import taxes, etc., and every increased price we pay on consumer goods because the companies we buy from are taxed to the high hills. Keep in mind these are all federal taxes. We haven't even begun to discuss state and local taxes.
Taxes are the way they control us. And they claim to "help" us in the way they spend that money. The fact is, they do much more to hurt than help. |
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deadmoney314
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So what do you purpose as a "good" tax rate? Zero? There is absolutely no way you can make taxes popular but they are necessary and they are also at the lowest rate in the recent history of the United States. At some point you must invest money in schools so our children don't fall behind and invest money in higher learning so people have the chance to excel.
In any case, you are going to have to put up with me because the democrats now have political capital and intend to spend it. K, buh-bye now |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Democrats Set to Use New Subpoena Power
When Democrats gain control over every committee in Congress in January, the party plans to put its broad subpoena powers to use immediately. Planning to resurrect the subcommittee on oversight and investigations—disbanded by the GOP when it won control in 1994—the new majority will call the White House to account for everything from defense spending to environmental policies, with renewed debate over the warrantless domestic spying program virtually guaranteed.
Links:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-investigations10nov10,0,1887142.story?coll=la-home-headlines
http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/us/politics/10nsa.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26refQ3Dwashington&OP=93361eaQ2F_RQ7C@_,Q2AQ5BteQ2AQ2AQ5Em_m..1_Q26Q26_Q26._vt_Q24Q2AOaQ5EaQ5Bt_Q26.qtbxdQ5ESO
There's some LA Times for ya This is great, like shooting fish in a barrel, republicans are now just looking more like a caged dog, lots of bark and no bite... and more humorous, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAA |
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ajnate
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| So what do you purpose as a "good" tax rate? Zero? |
DM: It's not about how much we're being taxed. It's about what they spend our tax money on. You show me in the Constitution where it allows the federal govt to have a program such as Social Security or Medicare. I pick on Social Sec and Medicare because they're such easy targets. But there are plenty of others.
The Constitution explicitly lays out exactly how we are allowed to collect taxes and what we are allowed to spend tax money on. Nowhere does it remotely imply that programs such as these are legal. Yet we've created them, and no one has the guts to challenge them.
If they want to do things that the Constitution does not provide for, then we have a process to amend it. Nobody bothered to amend it when we just unilaterally decided to become Socialists.
To answer your question more specifically... of course we need taxes. But, if they stick to taxing for the purposes laid out in the Constitution, we remain much more independent than under the current circumstances.
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| you are going to have to put up with me because the democrats now have political capital and intend to spend it. K, buh-bye now |
While that's certainly an intelligent response to my post, I'm going to have to say you're missing the point.
Are you aware that if a person/family that makes an extremely modest income of say $30k/yr (and never makes more than that from age 20 to age 65) were allowed to put aside their payroll taxes (7.5% from them and a matching 7.5% from their employer), they would be multi-millionaires at the time of retirement. This is based on a very modest return of 10% annually (the stock market has actually performed better than that on average for the past 70+ years). Their fund at the age of 65 would be just short of $4 million. Now... how would Joe Public be better off? Receiving a lump sum of $4 million on his 65th birthday, or receiving $1100/month and cheap healthcare for every year he lives beyond age 65. I'm going to go with the former. Heck, they can put that $4 mil in a money market that returns 3% and make $10k/month. Much more than they're receiving in govt benefits.
Yet nobody seems to care. And nobody with political clout takes the time to explain this. And sheep like you talk about spending political capital with the morons that want to continue to take away your independence by making you financially dependent on a govt program. Open your eyes, man. |
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ajnate
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| by the way... public education (which you mention in your example) is a state function. So, if you're asking me whether or not the feds should tax for that, my answer is unequivocally, no way. |
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maseratigtp
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[quote="deadmoney314"]So what do you purpose as a "good" tax rate? Zero? There is absolutely no way you can make taxes popular but they are necessary and they are also at the lowest rate in the recent history of the United States. At some point you must invest money in schools so our children don't fall behind and invest money in higher learning so people have the chance to excel.
In any case, you are going to have to put up with me because the democrats now have political capital and intend to spend it. K, buh-bye now[/quote]
"Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." LL 1968 |
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deadmoney314
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| "Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties - 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. - In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." -Thomas Jefferson |
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deadmoney314
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| Sorry, not gonna take the time to read your long-winded response that is based on opinion not facts. So, enjoy the next two years while we dems clean up the mess from the 6 years before, things will get better, online poker will stay afloat and when the landslide comes in '08 we'll finally have a gov't that we can ignore because we'll finally have a majority of intelligent people in positions of power. Always hire people smarter than you. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| oh yeah, and if the irony of the statement "the dems have politcal capital and intend to spend it" was lost on you, then you have been frozen for the past 2 years. |
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maseratigtp
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| Deadmoney, simple question...how old are you? I ask only as a way of trying grock your perspective. |
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ajnate
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| Sorry, not gonna take the time to read your long-winded response that is based on opinion not facts. |
OK... it's pointless to try and show the light to the brain-dead. I offered no opinion in my post. It was all facts, but you don't have any interest in actual discussion. You're apparently only interested in gloating over a meaningless political victory that will effectively change nothing. Whether the Dems or the Reps are in control, it makes no difference. We're all getting screwed. That was the point. But it's lost on a hypocrite sending one poster to the library to read up on "the facts", then on the other hand refuses to read four sentences of undeniable facts written right in front of his face. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, not gonna take the time to read your long-winded response that is based on opinion not facts. |
OK... it's pointless to try and show the light to the brain-dead. I offered no opinion in my post. It was all facts, but you don't have any interest in actual discussion. You're apparently only interested in gloating over a meaningless political victory that will effectively change nothing. Whether the Dems or the Reps are in control, it makes no difference. We're all getting screwed. That was the point. But it's lost on a hypocrite sending one poster to the library to read up on "the facts", then on the other hand refuses to read four sentences of undeniable facts written right in front of his face. |
Ok I counted, 1, 2.... oh, zero facts and all opinions in your post. Thank you for playing and again I say "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyahhhhhhhhhh nyah". I love driving powerless republicans insane, hahahahahaa |
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