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The_OG_Rocco
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| [Wow, how did you fly off the collar like that. Forget it man, don't eductate yourself, you are obviously happy where you are. Don't sweat it either, the dems don't take away rights, they protect rights. Take a look at the ACLU, I'm a card carrying member, please don't try to shut things like that down (like the republicans do). Peace bro. |
The ACLU?!?  You gotta be kidding me right?? The ACLU is one of the worst offenders at attacking freedoms in this country.
They are the ones that are suing the Boy Scouts, Schools and MANY other groups for things as petty as displaying a nativity scene during Christmas.
Now it all makes sense, since you are a "card carrying member" of the ACLU.
It clearly explains your distortedly optimistic views.
And if you think that the Democrats have'nt taken away any rights, you are either a fool or a liar.
Whichever one, You are clearly a PARTISAN to the core.
So I will not waste any more of my brain energy with you in regards to this subject.  |
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deadmoney314
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Just so people don't get the wrong idea about the ACLU from a talking point that came out of nowhere. It is the organization that best defends our civil liberties. Here is an email I got today:
It is time. After working to defend civil liberties against daunting odds, the ACLU's job now is to begin restoring our lost liberties—and to make sure the new Congress has the courage to act.
For the past five years, our nation has been held hostage by the politics of fear—with too many of our leaders caving into the notion that we must sacrifice our civil liberties in the name of the war on terror.
But this Tuesday, voters helped restore our system of checks and balances, and rejected the fear-mongering.
Here's what we have to understand right out of the box—the election results won't matter much if all it produces is a Congress without the courage to demand answers, expose wrongdoing, restore justice and end abuses.
And we can't wait another minute. We must demand that our newly-elected leaders—Democrats and Republicans alike—begin the hard work of restoring accountability, checks and balances, and respect for civil liberties to our democracy. Make restoring lost liberties a top priority.
After five long years of profound abuses of power by the White House and Congress' failure to hold the president accountable, the ACLU knows what needs to be done. The new Congress should immediately:
* Demand a thorough investigation into the NSA's warrantless eavesdropping and stop funding this illegal program and start investigating it instead. We will immediately build on our ACLU v. NSA courtroom victory by continuing to challenge this program in court and in Congress.
* Restore respect for human rights and undo the damage done by both the Bush administration's despicable practices and the recently passed Military Commissions Act. We must close Guantánamo and begin immediately to push for the restoration of due process and the writ of habeas corpus, a cornerstone of our Constitution and our legal heritage.
* Expose massive invasions of our personal privacy and the monitoring and suppression of those who dare to disagree with government policies. We need to do away with FBI monitoring of peace activists and religious organizations and end unfettered government access to our private financial, health care, and communications records.
* End government intrusion into the most personal and private aspects of our lives. It is time to reclaim the moral high ground and fight for marriage equality, put the brakes on the federal government's relentless assault on reproductive freedom and stop the funneling of billions of tax dollars to religious institutions that are free to discriminate.
It's going to be up to the ACLU and our members to push for the restoration of our rights in the weeks and months ahead. Because if the only change Congress brings are subtle shifts in policy and moving around of a few nameplates on Capitol Hill, we'll still be left with a hole in the fabric of our democracy.
With your support, we'll make absolutely certain that's not how these critical next few months unfold. Make restoring lost liberties a top priority.
You and other outspoken supporters of the ACLU have stood firm and insisted that we must not yield to an administration intent on abusing its power and silencing its opposition. And you deserve a great deal of the credit for helping lift the cloud over our democracy.
But we are not done yet. It's still up to you and me—each and every one of us—to see our work through and end the abuses and the utter absence of accountability that have been the hallmarks of our government over the last five years.
Your generous donation will play a vital role in helping the ACLU begin the work of reclaiming our Constitutional heritage and restoring the full vibrancy of our democracy. Please help restore our lost liberties today.
Sincerely,
Anthony D. Romero
Executive Director
ACLU
Now does this sound like the ramblings of an insane group? These are points they made this morning. In any case, I'm done with my political rantings (at least for a while). It was a long time coming to gloat after victory and the past few days have been an early xmas for dems like me, so again I'll say to you peeps that only get your media from cable (or broadcast) television, "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyyyyyyyah nyah". In school they made us do bibliographies that showed our sources, and rarely did they allow "television" as a source for a reason.
If you want to know more about the ACLU and how to become a member:
http://www.aclu.org/
You will see the issues they defend on the right hand column of the page. It is not a matter of disagreeing with 1 out of 30 issues, it is a matter of whether or not you identify with enough of the issues they champion to care about protecting them. This is not unlike voting for a candidate.
Na na naaaa na, na na naaaa naa, hey heeeey hey, g00t bye! |
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The_OG_Rocco
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The_OG_Rocco
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Just so people don't get the wrong idea about the ACLU from a talking point that came out of nowhere. It is the organization that best defends our civil liberties. Here is an email I got today:
It is time. After working to defend civil liberties against daunting odds, the ACLU's job now is to begin restoring our lost liberties—and to make sure the new Congress has the courage to act.
For the past five years, our nation has been held hostage by the politics of fear—with too many of our leaders caving into the notion that we must sacrifice our civil liberties in the name of the war on terror.
But this Tuesday, voters helped restore our system of checks and balances, and rejected the fear-mongering.
Here's what we have to understand right out of the box—the election results won't matter much if all it produces is a Congress without the courage to demand answers, expose wrongdoing, restore justice and end abuses.
And we can't wait another minute. We must demand that our newly-elected leaders—Democrats and Republicans alike—begin the hard work of restoring accountability, checks and balances, and respect for civil liberties to our democracy. Make restoring lost liberties a top priority.
After five long years of profound abuses of power by the White House and Congress' failure to hold the president accountable, the ACLU knows what needs to be done. The new Congress should immediately:
* Demand a thorough investigation into the NSA's warrantless eavesdropping and stop funding this illegal program and start investigating it instead. We will immediately build on our ACLU v. NSA courtroom victory by continuing to challenge this program in court and in Congress.
* Restore respect for human rights and undo the damage done by both the Bush administration's despicable practices and the recently passed Military Commissions Act. We must close Guantánamo and begin immediately to push for the restoration of due process and the writ of habeas corpus, a cornerstone of our Constitution and our legal heritage.
* Expose massive invasions of our personal privacy and the monitoring and suppression of those who dare to disagree with government policies. We need to do away with FBI monitoring of peace activists and religious organizations and end unfettered government access to our private financial, health care, and communications records.
* End government intrusion into the most personal and private aspects of our lives. It is time to reclaim the moral high ground and fight for marriage equality, put the brakes on the federal government's relentless assault on reproductive freedom and stop the funneling of billions of tax dollars to religious institutions that are free to discriminate.
It's going to be up to the ACLU and our members to push for the restoration of our rights in the weeks and months ahead. Because if the only change Congress brings are subtle shifts in policy and moving around of a few nameplates on Capitol Hill, we'll still be left with a hole in the fabric of our democracy.
With your support, we'll make absolutely certain that's not how these critical next few months unfold. Make restoring lost liberties a top priority.
You and other outspoken supporters of the ACLU have stood firm and insisted that we must not yield to an administration intent on abusing its power and silencing its opposition. And you deserve a great deal of the credit for helping lift the cloud over our democracy.
But we are not done yet. It's still up to you and me—each and every one of us—to see our work through and end the abuses and the utter absence of accountability that have been the hallmarks of our government over the last five years.
Your generous donation will play a vital role in helping the ACLU begin the work of reclaiming our Constitutional heritage and restoring the full vibrancy of our democracy. Please help restore our lost liberties today.
Sincerely,
Anthony D. Romero
Executive Director
ACLU
Now does this sound like the ramblings of an insane group? These are points they made this morning. In any case, I'm done with my political rantings (at least for a while). It was a long time coming to gloat after victory and the past few days have been an early xmas for dems like me, so again I'll say to you peeps that only get your media from cable (or broadcast) television, "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyyyyyyyah nyah". In school they made us do bibliographies that showed our sources, and rarely did they allow "television" as a source for a reason.
If you want to know more about the ACLU and how to become a member:
http://www.aclu.org/
You will see the issues they defend on the right hand column of the page. It is not a matter of disagreeing with 1 out of 30 issues, it is a matter of whether or not you identify with enough of the issues they champion to care about protecting them. This is not unlike voting for a candidate.
Na na naaaa na, na na naaaa naa, hey heeeey hey, g00t bye! |
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The_OG_Rocco
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Yeah....THAT really proves something.
I think the Catholic Church also put out a similar written statement that claims that they do not have any known pedophiles in thier priesthood.
I guess by your logic, the Catholic Church is the best defender of our children then eh?
Hell, By your estimation, If I agree with most of what the Catholic Church does, I guess I should be able to over look the 1 little thing I disagree with like child molestation from the priests right!?
pssst....hey....I got a bridge I want to sell you.
P.S. I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, BOTH partys are corrupt to the core. I am registered as a 'Non-Partisan' voter.
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IM-BILL
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Jamie Gold |
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| Did Gold ever get all his money from the WSOP......or did he half to split it ? |
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The_OG_Rocco
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Jamie Gold |
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| Did Gold ever get all his money from the WSOP......or did he half to split it ? |
As far as I know, he only ended up clearing about 2-3 million dollars in the end.  |
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ajnate
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That e-mail does nothing but prove that the ACLU is nothing but a partisan political organization. Which is exactly what it should NOT be. The ACLU should have absolutely no rooting interests in any political race, if they are truly concerned with nothing but protecting civil liberties. Unfortunately it has become a lobbying group for a democratic liberal agenda. The only thing missing from that e-mail were pom-pons and a cheering section.
The American Civil Liberties Union is supposed to protect civil liberties. Not to influence political elections. It's appalling to me that not only don't you seem to recognize this, but you go so far as to applaud the rah rah nature of Mr Romero's e-mail.
Trust me... those victorious Dems will do plenty to remove our civil liberties. As much, if not more, than the Republicans they replace. They'll just be different liberties getting abused. Instead of a Republican ignoring the constitution in the name of national security, it will be a Democrat ignoring the Constitution in the name of feel-goodism and more social welfare programs that the Constitution has absolutely no provisions for.
Feel free to enjoy the "victory" - congratulations. I'll remain hopeful that at some point our politicians/supreme court justices actually read the Constitution. But, I'm not going to kid myself into believing that the ACLU ever will. Keep in mind that the idea behind the building of our federal govt in the first place was for it to be basically non-existent, with the exception of building an army to defend our borders, creating a judiciary, and developing a basic infrastructure (roads) -- at least that's all they were supposed to be allowed to collect taxes for. Now look how far it has gone. With every tax dollar they collect and spend on anything other than those aforementioned things, they acquire more and more power. They become more and more intrusive in our lives. And they take away more and more civil liberties. Remember that the next time you feel like you "won" an election. |
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The_OG_Rocco
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That e-mail does nothing but prove that the ACLU is nothing but a partisan political organization. Which is exactly what it should NOT be. The ACLU should have absolutely no rooting interests in any political race, if they are truly concerned with nothing but protecting civil liberties. Unfortunately it has become a lobbying group for a democratic liberal agenda. The only thing missing from that e-mail were pom-pons and a cheering section.
The American Civil Liberties Union is supposed to protect civil liberties. Not to influence political elections. It's appalling to me that not only don't you seem to recognize this, but you go so far as to applaud the rah rah nature of Mr Romero's e-mail.
Trust me... those victorious Dems will do plenty to remove our civil liberties. As much, if not more, than the Republicans they replace. They'll just be different liberties getting abused. Instead of a Republican ignoring the constitution in the name of national security, it will be a Democrat ignoring the Constitution in the name of feel-goodism and more social welfare programs that the Constitution has absolutely no provisions for.
Feel free to enjoy the "victory" - congratulations. I'll remain hopeful that at some point our politicians/supreme court justices actually read the Constitution. But, I'm not going to kid myself into believing that the ACLU ever will. Keep in mind that the idea behind the building of our federal govt in the first place was for it to be basically non-existent, with the exception of building an army to defend our borders, creating a judiciary, and developing a basic infrastructure (roads) -- at least that's all they were supposed to be allowed to collect taxes for. Now look how far it has gone. With every tax dollar they collect and spend on anything other than those aforementioned things, they acquire more and more power. They become more and more intrusive in our lives. And they take away more and more civil liberties. Remember that the next time you feel like you "won" an election. |
God bless you.
I could not have said it better myself. You are right on the money.
I am glad that I am not the only one in this forum who feels this way. Bravo.
Anthony Romero of the ACLU sounds like an anti-American, Socialist to me.
Fk him and the high horse he rode in on. |
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| I understand what you are saying but i'm not suggesting banks are going to break the law. They will simply say they should not be expected to spend money to implement new technology to monitor transactions between offshores entities and their outlets (which is an unconstitutional breach of privacy in the first place). This is one of the things we have been waiting to see if it happens and with pressure off of them it will be pretty easy for banks to say "no we will not invade the privacy of customers if we would have to make sweeping changes to the banking system that costs us money to implement". |
Remember that the Rs took control because the Ds were just too damn intrusive in people's lives. The Ds aren't letting the banks off on this one. They don't have moral objections to gambling, but they are way into protecting people--does the phrase "nanny state" ring any bells? Nope, we poker players haven't gained anything in this election. |
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The_OG_Rocco
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[quote="deadmoney314"]Griff, there are people that disagree with you and only the future will see. OG you need to pull the wool from your eyes and grow up.
LMAO......Okay, whatever you say....you know everything. |
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The_OG_Rocco
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| [Remember that the Rs took control because the Ds were just too damn intrusive in people's lives. The Ds aren't letting the banks off on this one. They don't have moral objections to gambling, but they are way into protecting people--does the phrase "nanny state" ring any bells? Nope, we poker players haven't gained anything in this election. |
Bravo griffinlord, you are right on the money.  |
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deadmoney314
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This is what I feel like I'm talking to when I speak to you OG. People like you that stereotype all progressives are simply brainwashed by the conservative media that owns nearly all TV/radio/print broadcasting and you can either start looking into the facts by signing up for a library card or you can go on with your blissful ignorance. I highly doubt you would ever think of going to the library, well just about the same chance you would see Bush using public transportation.
Griff, you at least see now that most people disagree with you when it comes specifically to the freedom of playing online poker. It is the dems that will not pursue us and it is specifically republican leadership that was after us. Lastly, quite a few of the senate seats that were picked up are specifically not anti-gaming like the new gentlelady that won Missou and our final pickup in Virginia. 300,000 Virginia online poker players could have well made the difference in the balance of power in D.C. |
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The_OG_Rocco
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[quote="deadmoney314"]
This is what I feel like I'm talking to when I speak to you OG. People like you that stereotype all progressives are simply brainwashed by the conservative media that owns nearly all TV/radio/print broadcasting and you can either start looking into the facts by signing up for a library card or you can go on with your blissful ignorance. I highly doubt you would ever think of going to the library, well just about the same chance you would see Bush using public transportation.
Gee. You are so nice.
Thanks for calling me stupid and ignorant. I appreciate your 'unbiased' opinions.
Oh, by the way, I have an IQ of 137. I am not a genius by any measure and I never claimed to be one, but an IQ of 137 is definately above average, at least that is what I have been told. Maybe I am just too 'ignorant' to know any better.
P.S. If I am brainwashed by the so called conservative media, then you are definately brainwashed by the predominately liberal media. I guess that we are both idiots then eh? We are both easily brainwashed. I am brainwashed by fox news and you are brainwashed by CNN, KABC, and worst of all, the ACLU.
To be quite honest -w- you, I hardly ever even watch the news. I would much rather be entertained -w- my 5 yr old son watching sponge bob squarepants, jimmy neutron, fairly odd parents and the like than wasting my sanity and time by watching all the negative bullcrap news that is being spewed out on television everyday.
As I have said before, I will say again.
I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN NOR AM I A DEMOCRAT. I AM REGISTERED AS A 'NON PARTISAN VOTER'.
I.M.O......Both the Democratic Party AND the Republican Party are corrupt to their very core. 
P.S..........Can't we all just get along???
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