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ajnate · Pair Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 44

I'm going to skip the ignorance being spouted about why you should or shouldn't vote for a certain party, and what they will or will not do for you. Because frankly, I don't see where any of them from either party do much for me. In large part we're much better off when they do nothing.

But more importantly, if you really want THIS issue to be your guiding light in this election you should know that this is ABSOLUTELY NOT solely a Republican issue. It is likely that both your Republican and your Democratic representative voted for this legislation. The fact is that 115 of 191 voting DEMOCRAT congressmen voted in favor of HR 4411 (which is the the UIGE bill on it's own before it got disgustingly attached to the safe harbor act). You can also look at the sponsors of HR 5474 (the Internet Gambling Study Commission Act) which is intended to study the feasibility of legalizing and regulating online gaming. My guess is there's more than a couple Republicans amongst the 50 co-sponsors of that bill.

Just open your eyes. That's all I ask. If you want to travel down the path of ignorance that htrain, tablegod, dcoles, and others would like to lead you, be my guest. Because clearly (in their eyes) if the country were in the hands of the Democrats we'd all be much better off. Or else you can actually inform yourself as to how things actually work. These two bills will tell you how your representative stands on this issue. And if this is what you want to base your vote on, then you don't have to look any further.

LOOK IT UP! I could care less if you vote Dem or Rep. I really could. Most likely you're just voting for a fraud/crook no matter which way you go. But don't go voting for a Dem simply because you think he/she will save internet poker - because chances are they voted against you on this one.

htrain3434 · Flush Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 136

This bill would have never started if it wasn't for conservative republicans and the religious right. I do agree with your post and sent several democrats emails regarding their vote against online gambling. The way this country is headed, we need new leadership and that is the real reason you should vote democrat.

-AmznGrace- · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:

htrain3434 · Flush Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 136

Please vote tomorrow for freedom, unless you want to vote republican and have your freedom to choose what you do with your life in the hands of people like Bush.

Koshhh · High Card Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 9

Yes I would much rather have a party who would put a San Fran socialist up for Speaker of the House and whos leaders lean so far left that many in their party dont even want them around.

For every right you think you wont lose, watch how many people who dont deserve your rights get them. I mean we HAVE to accomodate everyone, its only fair. Rolling Eyes

And Im not talking about little things like poker.

Yep definately an improvment Wink

-AmznGrace- · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:37 am Post subject:

Here are the real reasons the R's lost so much and, unfortunately, I agree with it all.

� I don't care how many times the news programs, papers and magazines tell us the blowout last night was because of the Iraq war.
� It wasn't.
� It was because the American public has decided that Republicans are no longer
� The Republican Leadership has allowed the Members to engage in self-dealing on an unprecedented scale. Whether it was trips paid for by lobbyists; hiring family members at high salaries to plan parties; steering consulting business to former staffers; or outright bribery, Members of Congress have been developed a sense of entitlement which would embarrass most of us.
� The Republican Leadership has allowed the Members to spend too much of our money on projects most of us don't care about, don't need and, if we knew about them, wouldn't want.
� These are "earmarks" - the business of demanding that Federal agencies spend hundreds of millions of our tax dollars to placate favored friends, businesses, donors and/or lobbyists which became the norm among members of the Appropriations Committees.
� Appropriations Committee and Subcommittee chairs are known as "The Cardinals," which indicates their high status as first amongst equals. It was a title they have embraced. It was a position younger Members aspired to. Get a position on an Appropriations sub-committee and your fund-raising problems are over.
� Maybe it was always thus, but we expected better of the inheritors of the Gingrich Revolution.
� The Mark Foley matter was not the norm, but it became the shorthand for everything a majority of Americans thought had gone wrong with the Republican Leadership in the House.
� We have been told the House Leadership only knew about the e-mails, but didn't know about the instant messages until they became public and we all found out about them.
A. If it takes that long to explain something, you've already lost the argument and,
B. The House Leadership has done nothing to give us any confidence they were telling us the truth.
� The Republican members of the House Leadership couldn't get their stories straight. They couldn't remember who had told what to whom or when. All we knew was that it looked very much like they - either by themselves or through their staffs - were protecting a potential pedophile, allowing him to continue to prey on House Pages.
� And you wonder why, as of 2:30 AM on Wednesday morning, according to CNN, the Democrats have picked up 26 seats; a number which will most certainly go higher as more votes are counted and more concession speeches are required.
� Give credit to the Democrats. They succeeded in winning control of the House - and potentially the Senate, but we may not know the answer to that for a month - without a single positive plan.
� All they had was the best possible slogan: Had enough?
� Like a significant number of voters, I am angry at what the Republican Leadership has squandered. I am angry that they allowed themselves to get rocked so far back on their heels that even the extremely positive message about the unemployment figures released last Friday - 4.4 percent, the lowest since May 2001 - went totally unnoticed.
� Republicans will come back next week and a bunch of them will order cardboard boxes to pack up their papers and ship them home to a Federal depository library.
� Thousands of Republican staff members will go off the payroll at noon on January 3, 2007 when the Congress officially expires. Most have similar skill sets. Most will not find those high-paying jobs in Washington to which so many aspire.
� Many former staffers who have built their entire careers dealing with their previous bosses will find themselves struggling to convince their clients that they should continue to pay enormous fees for access to power which has evaporated.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:55 am Post subject:

One thing that I will say with the Ds winning both house and senate, the push to kill online poker has stopped. I heard Jim Leach was ousted last night and he's been in Iowa for a long long time. We will see a dissapation of the effort to stop online poker as the banks breath a sigh of relief and quietly brush this poorly constructed legislation under the rug where a republican minority can no longer exhume it. We are restarting the era of choice, now if we can only get instant runoff voting to accomodate a multiparty system like they have in Ireland/Austrailia and elsewhere.

Koshhh · High Card Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 9

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:57 am Post subject:

I understand what you are saying but i'm not suggesting banks are going to break the law. They will simply say they should not be expected to spend money to implement new technology to monitor transactions between offshores entities and their outlets (which is an unconstitutional breach of privacy in the first place). This is one of the things we have been waiting to see if it happens and with pressure off of them it will be pretty easy for banks to say "no we will not invade the privacy of customers if we would have to make sweeping changes to the banking system that costs us money to implement".
On another note, even though the AZ senate race went republican, it is interesting to hear 2+2 raised over $10,000 in a week from poker players to defeat the incumbent that helped draft the poker ban legislation. This is encouraging as it shows the poker community can become a force and eventually a factor in elections.

UFO1947 · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject:

All they had was the best possible slogan: Had enough?

I love that line.

The_OG_Rocco · Royal Flush Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 742 Location: Texas

oops dbl post

The_OG_Rocco · Royal Flush Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 742 Location: Texas

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject:

LOL

Go to poker legislation under 2+2 forums and look up threads on Bill Frist. That's a start, good luck catching up to the real world man.

The_OG_Rocco · Royal Flush Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 742 Location: Texas

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject:

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