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NightPrince · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: Quality Of Players?

I'm interested to know what you guys think the quality of play is like at varying buy-ins for the HORSE SNGs. I know in the $1 games they're extremely poor (I'm sure I'm one of them), but what about the $5 games and upwards?

guitarguy178 · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:46 am Post subject:

$1 = extremely poor
$5 = extremely poor - poor
$10 = poor - fair
$20= so-so - fair

gogzy · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:51 am Post subject:

any one that im in

poor to poorer

maybe i just suck at horse

And100535 · Flush Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 138 Location: England

I've played in about 10 HORSE SNGs. Only played the $1 or $5 ones. Can remember not placing once or maybe twice. I have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER of how to play any form of Stud. As that makes up 40% of the total game time and I manage to hit the cash consistently I would say the general standard is dreadful.

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4317 Location: ROK

The level of play at all the HORSE sng's I've played is absolutely horid. I've played up to $50+5 and it was just as bad. There is always players who are good at one or two games and just push everything or fold everything in atleast one of the other games. As you get to the higher buy in's the players know how to play the games but they are still very bad at them. I still ran into people bringing in for a completion at the $50 horse during the stud sections.

Also, stud accounts for 60% of the games. Razz is also called Stud Lowball in a lot of circles and is played just like stud.

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

$5 heads up HORSE matches are very easy to beat. I haven't played at any other level though...

lesdoodis · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject:

I don't play them too often, but I do enjoy them and have cashed in most of them. I just think people want to either try something new or practice on a wide range of games with multi-tabling which means they aren't going to be that good, but I would guess that it should rise in skill level soon. Once I build a bit more to my BR without removing it from my account (work is slow) I would like to try the higher buy-ins and see how well I do against them.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject:

I made a ton of money playing only HORSE sng's for $5 and $10. If I was cashing, I was usually winning or getting second. I would say the players at these levels are pretty inexperienced and if you are an average player you should be able to beat them more often than not. It helps to learn the other games well since most people are pretty clueless. How the hell do I play stud hi-lo?

Otto410 · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

My experience at the $5 or $10 limits:

Holdem

Most people are no limit players and play limit that way. They will overplay high pairs on coordinated boards. They do not understand why pot odds are good enough to check call on the end with top SECOND pair with high kicker. They don't understand why suited connectors in limit are more valuable than in no limit. They bluff, and way too much.

Omaha

Will see flops with A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G, even to a raise. Will chase to split for low. Inability to read the board. For example, you cannot hold a full house IF THERE IS NO PAIR ON THE BOARD.

Razz

Will call with bad upcards as long as they have two lows hidden. Will play all up As (or any A for that matter) for completes. As much as they won't check call in Holdem, they will check call all day long hoping that you hit bad and/or pair.

Stud (both)

Will chase all draws, even if you are also showing cards for a possible better draw or full house. Seem to not pay attention to the cards that were folded by the other players (re: chasing straight or flush draws). Will chase for low splits. Will re-raise with AA or KK showing when they are bet into. Play this carefully though as they will play top pair and two pair as the nuts.

Overall advice.

For the first rotation through the games, one to two people will bust out. If only one busted, two others will be short (under 500 chips). If two busted, two others will be around 750.

Play tight. Make them chase draws. Do not yourself chase, especially in Razz. ALWAYS bet or reraise when you believe you are ahead. Punish those who don't understand the game, especially in Razz (you will quickly figure out who these people are). For the most part, all but Holdem are drawing games. Do not slow play unless you truly have a monster.

When you get through the first rotation or even at the first Stud H/L, remember that one pot can flip chip leader to low stack when you still have 5-6 players in.[/u]

And100535 · Flush Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 138 Location: England

There's always someone who doesn't know the rules of Razz. They will call and raise all the way to the end and then be totally surprised when their full house loses. At least one person EVERY time.

1Evildude · Full House Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 194

Otto410 · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:27 am Post subject:

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Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4317 Location: ROK

Otto410 · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:

Slick

Here are perfect examples from a $5 SNG Horse I played last night. This was all in ONE SNG.

1. Player one capped the betting in Razz with TWO PAIR showing. The funnier part was that Player Two kept reraising ALSO showing a pair. Player two won a monster pot with Jack low. Player one showed Queen low. I didn't know weather to laugh or cry considering I folded (45)9 in early position. Of course, my hand was crap, but everyone else ended up folding. Player two at least STARTED with an up 3.

2. In O8, I have KK92, double suited. I limp in late position. Flop comes Q95 rainbow. Four players check around. Turn is a 2. Checked to me, I bet. Two calls. River 9. Looky looky what I walked into! Checked to me, I bet, fold, ReRaise (reraise?) yes reraise. We end up capping the betting. I show my boat. He shows ...... A high. A high in O8. A high with capped betting on the river. A high with a pair showing. A high with NO low draw on the board.

3. Stud High. I start with (JA)J. I complete. Two calls. One with a 8 and one with a K. I catch an A on Fourth. Bet, fold, call. The 8 caught nothing obvious, but called anyway. We continue this through 5th, 6th and 7th -- I bet, the 8 calls. I never improve past two pair. He ends up hitting his Q high flush on 7th. His card suits here (club club)diamond, club, heart, club (club).

4. Second Stud High. I'm low with 5 people remaining. I end up capping (and going all in) with (99)A. I'm raised and called down by (A4)J. OK, he's representing split Jacks, but I'm representing split Aces and I can't wait forever. I was surprised when he DIDN'T show split Jacks. His stack wasn't much more than mine. I don't improve and he hit a A on 5th.

That was all she wrote for that SNG.

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