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DC11GE · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: Championship Omaha by TJ Cloutier

Just got it. So far it's pretty good. It covers more then I thought it would. When I was searching for it, I also saw a book by the same people that was titled for O8 and Ohi. This one does cover all of them.

I'll have it finished tomorrow or Sunday and I'll have a more thorough review.

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Here's an entire summary of the book:

Nutpeddle.

Ok I've reduced TJ's book down to one word and saved anyone else money from needing to buy it. I understand that when you're first starting out, nutpeddling will be something that will be more beneficial to you. The same goes for his concepts of just limping in with hands and never raising PF (although he will say you can re-raise PF in PLO with the obvious AAxx strong hands.) He doesn't really promote anything outside of this though, and that will post a problem when you wish to get better at the game. If you try to take his advice to a shorthanded game or anything with a lot of aggression, you could find yourself getting ran over constantly.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I hate Coultier's strategy. Any system that advocates never raising preflop is an incomplete system at best.

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:21 am Post subject:

So you guys are saying I just wasted $30? I'm not a beginner, but I want to get to fill in some gaps in my Omaha game.

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:44 am Post subject:

OK, yeah that book sucked balls. I should've got SS2.

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject:

That depends alot on the style of the table and your ability to get away from a hand. If you raise preflop with a wider range of hands, then what they consider the issue of "If you raise you obviously have A's" is squashed. I understand the concept of building the pot post flop, but the hands some people limp in with is shocking.

As for the book itself, it was boring and didn't really say much that I either didn't know, or build on concepts that I didn't know much about. Basically what I was wanting to know, and was hoping to get from that book is:

1. Basic odds post flop and turn. I know some are similar to HE, but I've been in situations with one card to come, I bet max with top set and no made draws and I get called. They make their hand and said that they were right to call. My immediate thought is no, but I want to know if I'm right or wrong. I want to know what situations are +EV

2. If I need to go allin or call an allin, what hands are profitable to do so. Meaning, what hands have the most possibilities and are a favorite. One thing I did like reading is how one of the authors considered AAJTds to be his favorite over AAKKds. For drawing possiblities, that definately true. Add to that the fact that alot of other people would probably call an allin with AA or KK as well, so your outs are gone to make a set or fullhouse.

3. Betting for value vs trying to chase out draws and if it is even possible in PL. With so many cards out and only so many left, what are the best decisions I can make.

4. Overall, I just want to be able to make better decisions in Omaha. I know I've made quite a few bad ones, and would like to know why that is the case. I final tabled the first 3 times I ever played O8, so once I can fill these and the other gaps in, I'll be pretty deadly.

I'm sure I can get this info in other places, but I'm cramming for Monday so to speak. I get my new internet service then and will start playing a sh*tload. I gone through all 3 HoH's, Sklansky's NL HE Theory and Practice, and unfortunately, this book. I coming back with a vengance.

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject:

BTW, my last post was reffering to 01baz's post.

What you are saying Kloaked is exactly what I'm wanting to know.

Is SS2 the way to go?

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

1) http://www.pokerlistings.com/pot-limit-omaha#odds - Odds based on outs on getting there by the river. You can essentially cut them in half if you need to see what the odds are on getting there by the turn.

For anything more than 20 outs, they don't list it. The reason for this is simple. If you have more than 20 outs, you're a favorite over a set, and therefore have the best hand and want to get it all in right then and there.

2) PF? AAxx hands that have at least one suit to them are fine. The difference between AAKK and AAJT is almost as minimal as AA vs AA. KKxx hands with suits are still fine unless you're positive you're up against an AAxx hand. Finally very high rundowns are worthwhile (KQJT, QJT9) as these are the hands most likely to crack an AAxx/KKxx hand should you have to run up against it.

3) Once you've learned the basic odds, you can bet for value in the same way that you would in hold'em. Just bet enough to where it's a mistake for them to call with the potential draw that they have. It gets even better in cases where you suspect that you have some of their outs.

4) You'd probably get a lot more information from posting HH questions here, or at twoplustwo. At least then we could at least give you ideas of what we suspect and discuss what's going on.

SS2 is definitely better than TJ's book. Lyle says a lot of stuff that makes a lot of sense and gives far better reasoning for it (example: his reasoning on why it's probably not a good idea to raise PF out of position.)

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

ok i see where ur gettin at, like i said im mainly experienced in hold em and have very little experience in omaha, but what is this book SS2? is that the complete name of the book?

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject:

Supersystem. I bought #1 cause I heard it had everything that #2 has. I wasn't aware that it didn't have Omaha.

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

ohhhhhhhhh the super system lol. yea i hav SS1 but it has old games like 5 card draw. ive ordered the SS2 so im guessing the omaha section is good then?

DC11GE · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject:

From what I hear, it's the best one available.

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

oh that will save me having to buy an omaha book then lol. ive got an omaha hi low book mike cappelletti, supposedly the best selling omaha poker writer but im sure that it wont do much for just omaha hi. and yeah i dont think omaha was around when SS1 was written

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