Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker

UFO1947 · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: hh

Full Tilt Poker Game #1048052290: message board junkies (6936259), Table 2 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Seven Card Stud Hi/Lo - 21:48:40 ET - 2006/09/28
Seat 1: UFO1947 (1,897)
Seat 2: Strasse (3,198)
Seat 3: ricktheruler (735)
Seat 4: byamamoto1 (1,230)
Seat 5: shadoe3 (440)
UFO1947 antes 15
Strasse antes 15
ricktheruler antes 15
byamamoto1 antes 15
shadoe3 antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to UFO1947 [Kd Kh] [Ks]
Dealt to Strasse [5d]
Dealt to ricktheruler [3h]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [7h]
Dealt to shadoe3 [6d]
ricktheruler is low with [3h]
ricktheruler brings in for 25
Strasse: YES!!!!!!!111 I GOT THE EXTRA CHIP
byamamoto1 completes it to 80
shadoe3 raises to 160
shadoe3: YES
UFO1947 calls 160
Strasse folds
ricktheruler folds
byamamoto1 calls 80
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to UFO1947 [Kd Kh Ks] [8h]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [7h] [9s]
Dealt to shadoe3 [6d] [4c]
UFO1947 checks
byamamoto1 checks
shadoe3 checks
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to UFO1947 [Kd Kh Ks 8h] [5s]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [7h 9s] [Ac]
Dealt to shadoe3 [6d 4c] [Qh]
byamamoto1 bets 160
shadoe3 folds
UFO1947 raises to 320
byamamoto1 raises to 480
UFO1947 raises to 640
byamamoto1 calls 160
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to UFO1947 [Kd Kh Ks 8h 5s] [Js]
Dealt to byamamoto1 [7h 9s Ac] [9c]
byamamoto1 bets 160
UFO1947 calls 160
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to UFO1947 [Kd Kh Ks 8h 5s Js] [Qs]
byamamoto1 bets 160
UFO1947 calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
byamamoto1 shows [As Td 7h 9s Ac 9c 8c] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
UFO1947 shows [Kh Kd Ks 8h 5s Js Qs] (three of a kind, Kings)
UFO1947 wins the pot (2,500) with three of a kind, Kings
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: UFO1947 showed [Kh Kd Ks 8h 5s Js Qs] and won (2,500) with HI: three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: Strasse folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: ricktheruler folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: byamamoto1 showed [As Td 7h 9s Ac 9c 8c] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 5: shadoe3 folded on 5th St.

UFO1947 · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

BTW i posted this by request

Jobe Gilchrist · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject:

I was waiting for you to lose! NH

sloshedzeus · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject:

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

I think you missed a few bets here UFO, and this was my reaction before I got to the end of the HH so I'm not just being results oriented. The thing that made me fairly sure that you were good here was the fact that Bya checked on 4th. I really don't think he'd do that with aces, so I think you could've made him pay a little more. Even if you might end up chopping quite often, the fact that he hit an ace makes it a bit more likely that he paired if he was going low in my opinion. If someone sees anything wrong with my line of reasoning, please explain. Oh and Bya, if you read this, would you mind explaining what you were doing in the pot in the first place?

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2189

before on a little background, i had been completing a lot of hand, trying to steal the antes and so forth. strasse had noticed this and i thought this was a great opportunity to go ahead in the stud hi/lo portion. the game at this point was only 5 handed, so i'm sure that most everyone had a marginal hand as well. i had a 7 showing so with a completion bet it was surely to seem that i was going low, or a draw like 567. i started with A8 in the hole and a 7 up card. since i had the A down, it was a great chance for me to hit an A and get paid off on the high portion, as well as having a decent shot at hitting the low. its a very, very marginal hand, but against the table, i felt comfortable completing the bet and playing out the hand.

i got re-raised by shadoe on 3rd and figured he was drawing to a better low than i was. UFO called with a K up and his play to this point dictated a weakish hand, possibly a pair of K's, as players in the H/L portion will just call with hands like this. otherwise i put him on a couple high connected cards or flush draw.

on 4th, i hit a 9, and while it didn't improve my chances for a low or a high, it was checked around and i saw a free card for 5th. at this point, i'm not sure what UFO has, still possibly thinking he has a draw. shadoe checked, which meant that he probably paired one of his hole cards with that 4. now i had a 3 straight to go along with my low draw and still an overcard in the hole, which is huge in stud and stud h/l.

on 5th i hit the best card i probably could have hit in the A. i was almost certain i had the best hand at this point. shadoe bricked again with the Q and UFO maybe caught a 4th spade. i was confident and led out at this point, possibly still representing a low draw, while hitting the A. shadoe folded as i had hoped and now the curious part was UFO raising me. at this point i was pretty certain he held a pair of kings, so i re-raised. he has isolated the hand against me only and it was a good time for him to start pumping in bets incase i missed my low draw. he capped the betting and figured at best he held two pair. it didn't make any sense as to why he would have checked 4th if he did hold a set, as shadoe hit another low connecting card, leaving him very vulnerable to a low straight and also that low draw. most anyone would put in that bet right there with the set to defend his position and he proceeded to check. i figure that even if he has two pair right now, i have the over pair with live cards and a backdoor low draw.

on 6th i hit a pretty good card for me here with another 9, pairing me up with A's over. he hit a Js which concerned me but i had to lead out to give myself an opportunity to define whether or not he had a flush. at this point he would have surely raised me if he indeed held a flush, and i could have folded here saving a bet. he flat called, which meant in all likely hood that the best he held was two pair with K's over. i figured at this point i was in the lead going into 7th.

on 7th i didn't improve with a T. the bet at the end probably wasn't a smart one, but at this point i didn't put him on a flush draw since he didn't raise my bet on 6th. i figure at this point he still has K's over, if not only kings as he slowed down on 6th with just a call. also a bet here would be good if he did put me on a low draw and felt i was just trying to steal the pot with this bet here. to my dismay he did have a set and as shown he did have them rolled up.

in hindsight maybe playing the hand in the first place wasn't a smart idea but i liked my chances at the time. UFO self admittedly wasn't a great stud player and i was trying to exploit this. at every stage in the hand, i thought my hand was best, and in the end i made a total misread, due to the unorthodox play of UFO. i commended him for his play on the hand, as his set was totally disguised. i think however that it wasn't the best way to play his hand, as he was very vulnerable to a lot of different hands out there. in regular stud, this would have been a great move, but in H/L, the value of his hand diminishes, with low's being the hand.

thats was my thought process throughout the entire hand, about as thoroughly as i can define right now. strasse even put him on just a pair of kings and said that it was a river miracle at the end, which is why UFO posted the hh. UFO(not intended to be any sort of insult, just my observation) was way overplaying his stud hands to this point and didn't seem like a very strong player in the stud or stud h/l portion. if anyone can see an error or flaw in my thought process on any street, please give as much constructive criticsm as possible.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

Thanks a lot Bya, that was very informative. After playing this game mostly on Stars for a few days, I'd forgotten that they shuffle the hole cards here on FTP. That lead me to believe that you'd started with an A-T-7, which was why I asked what you were doing in the hand. I'm glad that I did though, because I really enjoyed your post. When it comes to the check on 4th, my asssumption while reading the HH was that UFO was going for a checkraise on 4th, which seemed fairly natural to me after the action on 3rd and the card that shadoe caught.

UFO1947 · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject:

I like Stud but it has a different set of rules when you have certin hands, I was so shocked when i saw i had trips rolled up my first instinct was to slow play. then by 5th I was like "oh crap" I realized giving free cards is too dangerous and tried to get more aggressive.

I need to play more Stud and Omaha.

hope there will be poker sites for me to play on...

	Full Tilt Poker is licensed by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. © Copyright 2004 - 2005 FullTiltPoker.com., All Rights Reserved