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Riddim

I played this hand a few minutes ago, and I'd really appreciate some feedback.

PokerStars Game #6447781323: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/09/28 - 05:03:58 (ET)
Table 'Kalypso II' 8-max
Seat 1: witchyways ($16.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Raymond-D ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 3: stuey22 ($29.90 in chips)
Seat 5: kingtama ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Riddim ($18.60 in chips)
Seat 7: rosco_stacks ($17.35 in chips)
Seat 8: tomhooter ($14.25 in chips)
witchyways: posts the ante $0.05
Raymond-D: posts the ante $0.05
stuey22: posts the ante $0.05
kingtama: posts the ante $0.05
Riddim: posts the ante $0.05
rosco_stacks: posts the ante $0.05
tomhooter: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to witchyways [9h]
Dealt to Raymond-D [5h]
Dealt to stuey22 [9c]
Dealt to kingtama [Qs]
Dealt to Riddim [2s 5c 3d]
Dealt to rosco_stacks [Kh]
Dealt to tomhooter [7s]
Riddim: brings-in low $0.25
rosco_stacks: calls $0.25
tomhooter: raises $0.25 to $0.50 - I haven't seen this guy raise with any low hands, so I figure that he has a big pair, maybe aces considering the king that's already limped.
witchyways: folds
Raymond-D: calls $0.50
stuey22: folds
kingtama: folds
Riddim: calls $0.25
rosco_stacks: raises $0.50 to $1 - I don't really mind this, since I'm either up against three high hands or two high hands and a worse low than me. My guess is that he has either aces or kings and there's a small chance that he's rolled up, but I'm not overly concerned about which one it is. I know that he's going for high and that's the most important thing for me right now.
W_I_X has returned
tomhooter: calls $0.50
Raymond-D: calls $0.50
Riddim: calls $0.50
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Raymond-D [5h] [7h]
Dealt to Riddim [2s 5c 3d] [2c]
Dealt to rosco_stacks [Kh] [8c]
Dealt to tomhooter [7s] [6h]
rosco_stacks: bets $0.50
tomhooter: calls $0.50
Raymond-D: calls $0.50
Riddim: calls $0.50 - Should I make this call? I'm getting 11:1 and I figure that I can take one off here for a small bet to see if I catch a good card on 5th and dump my hand if I don't. There are a bunch of babies dead though, so it feels kind of iffy, but I think there's a chance for a big pot so I decide to take a look at 5th since I'm closing the action. I'll post 5th when I've gotten some replies.

asfispimp · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:16 am Post subject:

I would since it looks like they all have high hands then Id take one more card and if i get like a 7 or a good low card Id stay but if you get a jack check the autofold box. but remember two people have low cards 75 and 76 so if it looks bad on 5th Id fold

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

The 11:1 justification is the thing that will drain a bankroll in a hi/lo game. It appears that you're getting 11:1, but the problem is you're only getting 11:1 if you scoop the pot as a result of these outs. There are no cards out right now that get you the scoop. A 2 will definitely help you out with the hi end, but then you have no low, and you need more than just 11:1 to draw to 2 outs.

You still have 4-A's, 4-4's, 4-6's, 2-7's, and 3-8's to improve to a low draw, and if you hit an A, 4, or 6 you have a gutshot/OESD to potentially scoop. An A will probably give you the best lo draw too. From your reads it looks like the only person that could be going for lo with you is Raymond-D. However, he could be on just a heart draw too for all I know. All he's done so far is call down.

I'd probably still call, but be ready to fold on 6th if it doesn't improve the low draw or another 2. If you somehow make 3 2's, re-evaluate to see if it's worth going for the boat.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2189

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject:

He has two 2's left, which could win him the high, but he also has a decent shot of winning the low if he catches a good card on 5th street. For one small bet I'd take that chance. If 5th street is a blank than I'd fold.

Riddim · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm really raw when it comes to this game, so I need this kind of input. When it comes to the 11:1 thing, that's one of the few things I wrote in the HH that I didn't actually think during the hand. When it took place I just though "this pot is really big", since I'm not familiar enough with the odds in stud to have any use for information about the potsize that's more specific than that. That thing about cutting your odds in half is something that I've tried keeping in mind the past few days when I've been fairly likely to only win half the pot even if I make my hand, but it's slipped my mind on a few occasions. I do believe that's one of the reasons for me feeling a bit unsure about making the call on 4th though. Ok, now it's time for 5th:

*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Raymond-D [5h 7h] [4d]
Dealt to Riddim [2s 5c 3d 2c] [As]
Dealt to rosco_stacks [Kh 8c] [Ad]
Dealt to tomhooter [7s 6h] [7d]
tomhooter: bets $1
Raymond-D: calls $1
Riddim: calls $1 - Ok, I don't think anything but a 4 would be better than the ace I hit here, but I don't want to raise it since I'm still only drawing to half the pot, another low is likely to be out already and 5th killed some more babies, one of which is a key card for my hand.
rosco_stacks: raises $1 to $2
tomhooter: raises $1 to $3
Raymond-D: calls $2
Riddim: calls $2 - With everyone staying in I think that a call here is probably right despite the risk of the betting being capped. I'm a bit uncomfortable with it though, since I feel like I have to guess if it's a good call or not because of my extremely limited experience and knowledge of stud odds.
rosco_stacks: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
tomhooter: calls $1
Raymond-D: calls $1
Riddim: calls $1 - Not much to say about this except "I sure hope I hit on 6th!"

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

5th is fine here. You nailed a great card for low. The only person that could possibly have a low right now is Raymond-D (but he could still be drawing to a flush) and any 4, 6, or 7 guarantees that you've made a better low than him (I'm not discrediting 8's as potential outs for low though.) A 4 gives you an outside chance of scooping as well since no one's shown anything a straight can't beat yet.

It's ok not to show aggression here because there's no need to. You're still only playing for half the pot, and two people seem to want to contest for the half that Hi can bring. Let one of them willingly put dead money *and hopefully 2 of them can bring in dead money if Raymond gets a worse low.*

Riddim · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject:

I'll put the rest in one post, because there's not much to discuss about the play here:

*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Raymond-D [5h 7h 4d] [3h]
Dealt to Riddim [2s 5c 3d 2c As] [4h]
Dealt to rosco_stacks [Kh 8c Ad] [Tc]
Dealt to tomhooter [7s 6h 7d] [Ac]
tomhooter: bets $1
Raymond-D: raises $1 to $2
Riddim: raises $1 to $3
rosco_stacks: calls $3
tomhooter: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
Raymond-D: calls $2
Riddim: calls $1
rosco_stacks: calls $1
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Riddim [2s 5c 3d 2c As 4h] [6c]
tomhooter: bets $1
Raymond-D: calls $1
Riddim: raises $1 to $2
rosco_stacks: raises $1 to $3
tomhooter: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
Raymond-D: calls $1.55 and is all-in
Riddim: calls $2
rosco_stacks: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tomhooter: shows [7c Ah 7s 6h 7d Ac 8s] (HI: a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
Riddim: shows [2s 5c 3d 2c As 4h 6c] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
rosco_stacks: shows [Kc Ks Kh 8c Ad Tc Th] (HI: a full house, Kings full of Tens)
rosco_stacks collected $2.20 from side pot
Riddim collected $2.15 from side pot
Raymond-D: mucks hand
rosco_stacks collected $24.05 from main pot
Riddim collected $24 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.90 Main pot $48.05. Side pot $4.35. | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: witchyways folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Raymond-D mucked [8h 4c 5h 7h 4d 3h Jd]
Seat 3: stuey22 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kingtama folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Riddim showed [2s 5c 3d 2c As 4h 6c] and won ($26.15) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 7: rosco_stacks showed [Kc Ks Kh 8c Ad Tc Th] and won ($26.25) with HI: a full house, Kings full of Tens
Seat 8: tomhooter showed [7c Ah 7s 6h 7d Ac 8s] and lost with HI: a full house, Sevens full of Aces

As you can see I caught my dream card on 6th. I didn't think I had much of a chance to get the high half though, since it seemed improbable to get all that action without someone having a full house. What raymond was thinking when he raised into my hand and then took his hand to the river is beyond me, and I think it was a pretty easy fold for him once I started showing strength all of a sudden. Thanks for the feedback everyone, I really appreciate it. This is by far the biggest limit pot I've ever played and I wanted to make sure that I hadn't just donked it up completely and gotten lucky.

Edit: I checked the hand out on 2dimes yesterday and I thought I'd include my equity on 4th and 5th here, but I forgot it when I made the post.

4th: 0.158
5th: 0.243

DevilfishFan · Royal Flush Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 906

The call on 4th is an easy one. If one of the low hands raised it to $1 you can fold pretty easily.

5th street is where it gets really tricky. You have a great looking hand, but check out the dead cards. You have A-2-2-3-5, and you see 8-7-7-7-6-5-4-A. The guy showing 6-7-7 bet out here, and then reraised the original bettor!!! It's likely your miracle straight wouldn't even help, and it's also likely he has another 6 and 7 in the hole. If he does have the 6-6-7-7-7 you have 8 cards to make your low. (Even less if you consider what Raymond might have.) That's very important. 8 or 10 cards to win HALF the pot. Do the math.

I looked and saw you hit your 4. Congrats Laughing

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