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byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2189

I'm not sure if i misplayed this or just got unlucky. I was playing a SNG and it was down to 5 players. I was around a stack of 3,800 which was good enough for 2nd i think at the time. I find 10-10 on the button and no one opens so i decide to make it 350 to go with the blinds 50-100. SB calls everyone else folds. SB is around 1,900 in chips after the flop. Flop comes Kh-8h-3x. he comes out betting 500 into a 700 pot. I put him on a weak ace, because he'd been playing pretty loose from the blinds esp. when people raised him. Turn card comes a 5x. he checks and i knew he didn't have anything at the time so i decided to bet 700 into the pot. he only has 1400 remaining and i figure it was a big enough bet where he would be committed to the hand if he decided to play. and it was a bet i could get away with if he ended up having something big like AK. he calls my bet. the river comes 10h. he goes all in for about 700 and i have a feeling now he has a flush and was on the draw the entire time. So i call and can't get away with my trip 10's and he turns over Ah-7h for the flush. (i end up with about 2,000 chips left and end up not cashing!!)

Did i play this wrong by not forcing his draw out or was my betting justified. I figured if he would have layed down his draw after that bet on the turn he would be still in ok shape with 1,500 in chips but be crippled if his draw didn't hit and would be down to around 700. Maybe i over analyzed it? Anybody have any thoughts on this?

raxip · Pair Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 47 Location: Dallas, TX

Seems a re-raise on the flop wouldn't have been bad. At least to get some information. This way his/her check on the turn would have helped you analyze your hand on the river. Shrug, I'm no pro and fairly new to SnGs.

Zuchov · Royal Flush Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 646

I agree with raxip, and would add the following.

The check on the turn indicates he probably doesn't have a king, or at least not one he'll call all in with - the flop bet really smelled like he was trying to buy. So I would have pushed it all on the turn, especially if I read the hand the way you did. That does two things for you - if you've been playing tight and he knows it, he might throw out a junky king. Also, I've found people much less likely to call off all their chips on a draw with only the river to come, so pushing out those draws on the turn is a safer way to pick up a big pot against a draw. (And in these SNGs, I'll take a nice safe, 2,000 chip pots over a dangerous 4000 chip pot anyday.) Since that draw is an underdog, you alsi want him to think about calling before he makes his hand. If you wait until the river, he'll only call off all his chips if he hit his draw and beats you, and fold if he didn't. The situation you really want to avoid is what happened to you here - even though you played it well, you put yourself into a spot where you pretty much had to call him after he made his flush. Having said that, you probably should have called on the river anyway, given the size of the pot compared to his bet. And you did give him the wrong odds to be drawing, but it's not unusual for them to call anyway. Oh well, sometimes you get unlucky by making your hand against a better hand. Shrug it off and try again.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2189

appreciate the responses. just gotta learn from the past.

iuz the old · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:

You have position on him here and thats huge.The flop call was exactly what I would do as a raise would commit you to an all in with only 2 outs if he has the King. I dont think a raise on the flop will stop him drawing as he is getting the odds to go all in with 2/1 chances. IMO people love to push draws on the flop but hate to push them on the turn unless they have no choice. His check on the turn meant most likely you were winning but there are all sorts of cards that can come on the river to ruin your day so end it now with a push. Remember also that if he had a weak king he might have folded it to a push. Generally speaking when the pot is large end it quick if you can and if you suspect that your opponent is on a draw make him pay you off while he still has dreams because youll get nothing on the river if he misses!
If you have decided to call him on the river if a heart hits then there is every reason to push it now.

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