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blkhwk67t · Full House Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 172

I am not to upset about the result of this hand but I was just wondering if I had played this hand effectively.

POKERSTARS GAME #6438057919: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/09/27 - 12:37:35 (ET)
Table 'Winifred' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: tschonkl ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 2: dctweb ($11.90 in chips)
Seat 3: lawfluke ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 4: sjeeves ($15 in chips)
Seat 5: Evildish ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 6: nofuture61 ($1 in chips)
Seat 7: VampiricFrog ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Summertime60 ($12.35 in chips)
Seat 10: blkhwk67t ($10.60 in chips)
VampiricFrog: posts small blind $0.10
Summertime60: posts big blind $0.25
tghope: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to blkhwk67t [9c Tc]
blkhwk67t: raises $0.25 to $0.50
tschonkl: folds
dctweb: raises $0.25 to $0.75
lawfluke: folds
sjeeves: folds
Evildish: folds
nofuture61: folds
VampiricFrog: folds
Summertime60: folds
blkhwk67t: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Ac 8s Jh]
blkhwk67t: checks
dctweb: bets $0.25
blkhwk67t: raises $0.25 to $0.50
dctweb: raises $0.25 to $0.75
blkhwk67t: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Ac 8s Jh] [7c]
blkhwk67t: bets $0.50
dctweb: raises $0.50 to $1
blkhwk67t: raises $0.50 to $1.50
dctweb: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
blkhwk67t: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Ac 8s Jh 7c] [7d]
blkhwk67t: bets $0.50
dctweb: raises $0.50 to $1
blkhwk67t: raises $0.50 to $1.50
dctweb: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
blkhwk67t: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dctweb: shows [As Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
blkhwk67t: shows [9c Tc] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
dctweb collected $10.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.35 | Rake $0.40
Board [Ac 8s Jh 7c 7d]
Seat 1: tschonkl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dctweb showed [As Ah] and won ($10.95) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
Seat 3: lawfluke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sjeeves folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Evildish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: nofuture61 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: VampiricFrog (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Summertime60 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: blkhwk67t showed [9c Tc] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack

I would love to say that i raised this hand in early position to change up gears but in truth I was steaming (having pkt As cracked 4 times in a hour tends to do that to me). Overall, I thought I played the hand pretty well. When he re-raised my initial bet I put him on a big pkt pair or a big A. If the flop would not have hit me, I was going to toss the hand. The check raise on the flop was to see if he had a A or if he was just making a continuation bet. When the 7 hit I had the made straight and flush draw and thought I had the hand locked up. When the 2nd 7 hit on the river, I should have checked called knowing that the boat was possible but like i said earlier I was steaming. Would you guys have done anything different?

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject:

mathman1115 · Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject:

raising UTG with a hand like T9s is about the worst thing you can do. This is a pot building hand, and you just have eliminated the field. there is also a good chance you will be reraised with a hand that dominates you.
I probably don't have to tell you this, and i understand you were steaming from the cold deck, but you had a lack of discipline and judgement here.
As the hand played out, i dont' think you did anything wrong, although i may have slowed down a little on the river.

blkhwk67t · Full House Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 172

Like I said, the pfr was made out of frustration. Your right mathman, if I start to steam I need to back off and not throw good money away. The other player wasnt exactly tight or loose. I had seen him raise w/ some weaker hands on occassion but he was playing ABC poker. My first mistake was the pfr. I think my play was ok on the flop because my bet got me the info that I wanted. I don't consider me leading into the pot to be a "donk bet". He cleary liked his hand enough that he was going to go to the river w/ it. Why get tricky there? I understand what you are saying about better defining his hand but I already thought I had a good read on him. When the river 7 hit, truthfully, I was blinded by my straight. Like I said I was frustrated and was overjoyed to hit my straight and oblivious to boat staring @ me. The sad thing is only two cards hitting on the river would probably have slowed me down, an A or J, but for some reason I just decided to stay in my happy world and forget about playing my opponents hand along w/ mine. I learn new things everyday while playing poker but I just learned a major lesson here. Thanks guys.

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:05 am Post subject:

You are representing a big hand with your early Pre-flop Raise...I would have capped the betting preflop, you need to continue with the charade, other wise to me it looks like�I got a big hand�well, no maybe I don�t have a big hand� I don�t think you can just call here. Remember, you are representing AA, AK, or KK in this spot�IMHO, cap the betting preflop.

Flop play: it was �OK� You are still representing a big hand.
Turn Play: I would cap here also, as you now have the �nuts�
River: You overplayed your hand, I would have check called with the pair on the board�He probably didn�t come all the way to the river with just top pair, and there is a good chance that you are beat at this point, save your chips.

From what you said, it was probably a bad time to represent a big hand, as the cards had not been going your way�Your table image needs to be taken into consideration when thinking about these plays as there are two ways to win this hand. If your concealed hand(9-10) catches big, or if people belive that you have the AA or AK that you are trying to represent in this hand, and they lay down the better hand to your aggression.

If the table has been running over you, it is not a good time to try playing a tricky hand, as people probably will not give you credit for the hand you are trying to represent and you will need to make a hand with your hole cards better than top pair to win. I do not think you will come out ahead with this play if you cannot win ocasionally by representing AA or AK and getting people to fold to you. You need both options to make this a long term winning play(I do not have stats to back this up, and it is only my opinion)

I do not think there was any way the other player knew he was behind with the turn card, and you accomplished what you set out to do by playing a tricky hand and catching big. I am sure that he would have capped the river betting even if he had not filled up. I am sure that in his mind, there was no way he was losing to a straight on the turn and I think he would have gladly capped it on the river.

Your tricky play worked perfectly and you still lost...It happens, but do not get discouraged. I would not make this type of play a lot, but I think this needs to be in a player�s game. Most of the time you are going to win this hand when you catch the straight on the turn�People are going to think that you are a maniac when you turn over a 9-10 at the showdown�and that gets more people bringing action to you with your legitimate big hands...

Of course we all know that you would have let it go on the turn if you did not catch your straight�

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