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jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

Full Tilt Poker Game #1015720279: Table General Miles - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha - 1:03:20 ET - 2006/09/19
Seat 1: HERO ($76.50)
Seat 2: playmaker15 ($39)
Seat 3: dyokem ($37.55)
Seat 4: johnsy84 ($101)
Seat 5: nessie222 ($99)
Seat 6: AgilityMD ($94.60)
Seat 7: Mex63 ($57.40)
Seat 8: Wobbles-7 ($33.35)
Seat 9: VILLAIN ($103.90)
Wobbles-7 posts the small blind of $0.50
VILLAIN posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [8d 7h 9c Jd]
HERO calls $1
playmaker15 folds
dyokem has 15 seconds left to act
dyokem folds
johnsy84 folds
nessie222 calls $1
AgilityMD folds
Mex63 calls $1
Wobbles-7 raises to $3.50
VILLAIN calls $2.50
HERO calls $2.50
nessie222 calls $2.50
Mex63 calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [3d 8h Js]
Wobbles-7 checks
VILLAIN checks
HERO bets $17.50
nessie222 folds
Mex63 folds
Wobbles-7 folds
VILLAIN calls $17.50
*** TURN *** [3d 8h Js] [2s]
VILLAIN checks
HERO bets $52.50
VILLAIN raises to $82.90, and is all in
HERO calls $3, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $27.40 returned to VILLAIN
*** RIVER *** [3d 8h Js 2s] [6h]

I figure that I've got a decent drawing hand preflop so I limp UTG and then call the single reraise.

The flop looks good for me. No straight or flush possibility, and top two pair. I bet the pot, figuring that the only hands that have me beat are flopped sets. I get one caller. What kind of hand could check-call my pot-sized bet? If VILLAIN has a set, wouldn't he have bet out to protect his hand against a possible T-9 straight draw? Maybe he has a straight draw himself?

The turn card looks like a total blank -- the only possible way this card gave my opponent the lead is if he has a pair of deuces in his hand, and I can't come up with a way to put him on that kind of hand. He checks to me, so I bet the pot again, which is effectively an all-in bet.

I end up all-in on the turn with top two pair.

Anything I should have done differently, or was this solid poker?

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

That situation is pretty sticky. I wouldn't have played the top two as fast as you did because FOUR other players (16 cards) were up against you heading into the flop. Since you are up against so many cards, it's always possible that you don't have the best hand unless you flop the perfect nuts, so you have to be careful.

With the way your opponent played this hand, I think he may have slowplayed a set, choosing not to protect it on the flop in hopes of having you fire again on the turn (which you did). It also may be possible that he held something like top pair/good kicker along with 4-5 for the open-ended draw, which came on the turn.

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Preflop - fine. Just beware that when it comes to draw potential, your hand is much less powerful when the one gapper is at the top end of your rundown.

Flop - I like it. It lets you know where you stand with your marginal holdings very easily. Given the huge draw potential, if there were a monster wrap or set out there, they'd want to re-raise now and take it down. Those are the only two hands that would have you beat with this flop.

Turn - I'm probably playing this the same way. The two is unlikely to give someone a made hand that beats you (as you said they'd need 22 for that to happen.) A set is very likely to come out firing or at the very least c/r on the flop. I'm thinking the spade helped in terms of picking up extra outs for Villain, but it didn't make his hand. For example, if he had 4567 with spades, he's now on a monster draw. Hey may even have 9T with the flush draw. When it gets heads up, you really don't worry too much about if your backdoor flush outs are going to be clean or not.

Unless you have a read that says villian will slowplay top set, I have to think this was pretty solid.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

Let's just say I'll play with VILLAIN again.

He called my bet on the turn with only 7 outs.

I was a 76-24 favorite on the flop as well.

The reason I bet top two pair fast and hard is because I feel that by representing top set, I can possibly get middle or bottom set to fold to me, especially if they have no redraws.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

Well, since the interest in this has waned Smile

My opponent had Q-Q-6-2, single suited in clubs. Just an overpair, no draw. A hand that should have been mucked preflop, which caught no piece of the flop and not much on the turn. And on the turn, he had absolutely NO draw to the nuts -- against a hand like J-J-T-9 or T-9-8-8 he would have been drawing dead.

I suppose that he could have put me on a busted draw, maybe with a single pair, and thought that his Queens were ahead of my hand.

Or perhaps he's a hold'em player who hasn't adjusted to Omaha yet, and who thinks an overpair is a decent hand.

But I definitely worried when he raised the turn bet, knowing that if he held J-J, my only possible 4 outs were the Tens for a gutshot straight, and even those weren't a nut draw.

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