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krazybangs
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 Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: Best Starting Hand/Pre Flop play? |
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| Whats everyones Fave and move pre flop? |
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gogzy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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for omaha i dont really have a favorite hand but the obvious one i would like to hold preflop is a.a.k,q double sooted.
in regards to moves that depends on the limits you are playing in micro limits i wont raise it up preflop too much as you will usually get around 4-6 callers, i like to limp in with a lot of hands and see what flops. ive seen some great looking preflop hands die on flop too many times.
higher stakes i would raise preflop with good hands because there usualy isn't as many ppl to take on at the flop |
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Strasse
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, both AAKKds and AAJTds are better hands than AAKQds. |
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nathanthomp
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| Actually, both AAKKds and AAJTds are better hands than AAKQds. |
Please explain. |
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krazybangs
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Two nut flush draws, top straight and top set possiblities....all provide back door draws but I am for AAJ10ds..... |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| nathanthomp wrote: |
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| Actually, both AAKKds and AAJTds are better hands than AAKQds. |
Please explain. |
The JT works better than KQ because the JT will be used to make far more straights than KQ. That makes up for the fact that it's JT. It's only a better hand by a couple of percentage points, but it is better.
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1942907
pokenum -mc 500000 -o as ah js th - ad ac kd qc
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Js Ah Th 143931 28.79 127100 25.42 228969 45.79 0.517
Ac Qc Ad Kd 127100 25.42 143931 28.79 228969 45.79 0.483 |
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nathanthomp
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| Oh ****, I'm a dumbass. I was thinking if the J or 10 paired up I would be behind, then I could overtake them with a Q or K. I took some time to reflect, and now I realized I **** up. Sorry. I've only played omaha about 2 months now. |
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gogzy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| well the one i said is still a damn good starting hand lol |
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hal81
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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i've just started playing omaha too but whenever i try to find out what kind of hands to play, i get a webpage telling me the "top ten" or similar...
AATJds doesn't come round that often so what kind of hands do good players play when they're waiting for those premium hands?
you know, kind of middle hands that still have a positive EV
edit: i play low stakes- i guess theres a lot of difference compared to playing against good players |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| hal81 wrote: |
i've just started playing omaha too but whenever i try to find out what kind of hands to play, i get a webpage telling me the "top ten" or similar...
AATJds doesn't come round that often so what kind of hands do good players play when they're waiting for those premium hands?
you know, kind of middle hands that still have a positive EV
edit: i play low stakes- i guess theres a lot of difference compared to playing against good players |
Here's more stuff that's playable, preferably from later positions:
Suited Ace with 3 connecting cards *As6s78*
Most rundowns (5678, 6789, 789T, etc.)
One gappers where the gap is in the middle or low end of your rundown (78TJ, QJT8. Not something like J987)
High Pair + Rundown (JJT9, TT98)
Being double suited always helps with these types of hands, however it's not because you want to hit the flush (save the suited Ace hands.) It's because you want some extra protection from that flush being hit against you should you make your hand. Really you just want to play hands where all 4 of your cards are going to work well together if you can. It makes playing postflop much easier because you will most likely have a very good reason to be in the hand, or a very good reason to get the hell out of there after the flop. |
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asfispimp
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Kloaked Spirit wrote: |
| hal81 wrote: |
i've just started playing omaha too but whenever i try to find out what kind of hands to play, i get a webpage telling me the "top ten" or similar...
AATJds doesn't come round that often so what kind of hands do good players play when they're waiting for those premium hands?
you know, kind of middle hands that still have a positive EV
edit: i play low stakes- i guess theres a lot of difference compared to playing against good players |
Here's more stuff that's playable, preferably from later positions:
Suited Ace with 3 connecting cards *As6s78*
Most rundowns (5678, 6789, 789T, etc.)
One gappers where the gap is in the middle or low end of your rundown (78TJ, QJT8. Not something like J987)
High Pair + Rundown (JJT9, TT98)
Being double suited always helps with these types of hands, however it's not because you want to hit the flush (save the suited Ace hands.) It's because you want some extra protection from that flush being hit against you should you make your hand. Really you just want to play hands where all 4 of your cards are going to work well together if you can. It makes playing postflop much easier because you will most likely have a very good reason to be in the hand, or a very good reason to get the hell out of there after the flop. |
yeah I agree suited connectors paired suited connectors check my other post on the other topic. |
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Muskogee Mike
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah suited ace-x and connectors have been very proffitable, especially double suited. but as i mentioned in another post, A-Q suited with 10s or 8s has been very good to me for some reason. |
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Muskogee Mike
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| i also like having high and middle/low connectors, like A-K-9-8 or K-Q-6-5. |
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jbrennen
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I actually had A-A-K-Q double suited recently and couldn't get paid off, even though I made quad Aces on the river.
Yeah, it's a good hand, but you have to remember that with all of these premium high cards in your hand, it's quite likely that if the board hits your hand good, nobody else is going to have a hand they're willing to go to war with. |
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don svenne
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: i thnk |
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| AAkq is in high, aa23 in low is the best, my favorite is 4567 to suited |
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