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krazybangs · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: How would you play this?

I wasnt quite sure what he was calling with and being lower limits and alot of calling stations abound I am sure I didnt play this the best way but I also didnt want to over play it after the call on the turn....

I reallyyyyyy enjoy PL omaha but the calling stations and large % to the flop make me wonder if there needs to be more raising or is it just a lower limit fact everyone wants to see a flop....

Input please?

Full Tilt Poker Game #922259124: Table General Miles - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha - 23:23:32 ET - 2006/08/21
Seat 1: bayne_s ($31.20)
Seat 2: majorphuckup ($142.15)
Seat 3: Simian8 ($41.70)
Seat 4: MaynardJK79 ($107.40)
Seat 5: HebeyJuan ($117.05)
Seat 6: HugoBrasky ($57.85)
Seat 7: Cubs1 ($71.35)
Seat 8: Alisa259 ($17)
Seat 9: KrazyBangs ($98.95)
MaynardJK79 posts the small blind of $0.50
HebeyJuan posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KrazyBangs [9h Jh 9d 8d]
HugoBrasky folds
Cubs1 folds
Alisa259 folds
KrazyBangs raises to $2
bayne_s folds
majorphuckup folds
Simian8 folds
KrazyBangs: damn slide bar
MaynardJK79 calls $1.50
HebeyJuan calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9c Jc 6d]
MaynardJK79 checks
HebeyJuan checks
KrazyBangs checks
*** TURN *** [9c Jc 6d] [6s]
MaynardJK79 checks
HebeyJuan checks
KrazyBangs bets $4
MaynardJK79 raises to $8
HebeyJuan folds
KrazyBangs raises to $30
MaynardJK79 calls $22
*** RIVER *** [9c Jc 6d 6s] [Ts]
MaynardJK79 bets $12

My action.... he called the turn reraise... I felt he had a 6 but also didnt think he had a PP of Jacks... and unless he had PP of tens I am beat...

Call raise or fold?

Strasse · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:55 am Post subject:

Well, I really really hate the check on the flop. As a rule, I try to never slowplay a hand in omaha unless it is atleast nut boat. Also, how had this guy been playing? Without further info, I reraise, because I doubt he has 10s, jacks are very unlikely since you have 1, and you just have to pay off quads.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:06 am Post subject:

I've played with the villian once or twice in Hi/Lo, my opinion of him wasn't very high...

Here are my two cents, The ONLY hand here he could slowplay on the flop is JJAx or 66Ax where Ax is suited. However, considering that you hold a Jack, I don't think that is very possible and the 66Ax while possible, I think still puts out a small value bet, to make it look like a big draw. So I think that leaves us with J-6. Not to mention he's probably assuming the same thing I am, a set would have bet that flop.

Looking back on the hand even more though, I don't know why you didn't bet the flop. That was begging to get outdrawn, and two if some fool slowplayed top set, you now have no information as per whether or not he did.

Obviously from the tone of your post, he had J-6 or 9-6 but really I think you're just lucky the flush didn't hit... However, I'm ok with the call on the river. Most likely we have him beat, but we don't have the nuts here either. It's very possible he made a weird play with top or bottom set and I think reraising here is much too expensive to find out we're beat.

krazybangs · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:26 am Post subject:

I'll tell ya more in a bit...

But seeing two clubs even betting at the pot gives too many calling stations with the flush redraw and opportunity to call and someone could easily have a straight draw as well

So not even holding top set but pretty much knowing the JJ wasnt out there I wasnt ready to over commit with a mid set....

More in put?

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:20 am Post subject:

I dunno, I might have a weakness when it comes to controlling the size of the pot, but how can you really give a free card to a flush draw with only a set. Chances are you are up against one and giving a free card is a mistake. Honestly I don't let people draw/slowplay if I have any sort of marginal holding. I think it's cheaper to force my opponent to define their hand on the flop than it is for card to hit that improves my hand just enough for me to lose my stack.

krazybangs · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:08 am Post subject:

I guess I played in wrong fromt he start, I usually wont play a hand unless I raise, too many mediocre callers drive me nut at this level.. I am only learning this game now....

I really was worried of pushing with the calling stations cause me might have had the insides looking for a straight and know a set isnt the strong... and the pots still small I guess since I had position I could have bet...

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:10 am Post subject:

lol so what happened, I'm guessing J-6?

krazybangs · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:18 am Post subject:

KrazyBangs calls $12
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MaynardJK79 shows [Qs 6c Ks 3d] (a straight, King high)
KrazyBangs shows [9h Jh 9d 8d] (a full house, Nines full of Sixes)
KrazyBangs wins the pot ($87) with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***

so he was only on a draw and hit.... maybe I could have stacked him...

But is it right to err on the side of caution?

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:41 am Post subject:

GAG!!!! The straight!!!! yuck. As I said I didn't have the greatest opinion of the villian from my playing against him. One thing I will ask, that was your table image like, did he have any reason to think you'd be trying to outplayhim with your draw? I will give him a little credit though, I think he's only betting becuase he's convinced you bet a set on that flop. That said, he's a moron for not considering J-6 or 9-6 (even though he's holding one of them), because the least most half decent players will bet with is top two, so checking those hands is not unheard of. He probably read you for a wrap or straight flush draw.

In reality, against this player, I probably reraise the river in this exact situation. I'm not sure if you will destack him, so raise enough for him to call, but a call here is fine too. I truly believe if his hand contained JJ or 66 he bets the flop and reraises you again on the turn. But the call isn't really a bad idea. I mean after all YOU checked a set, so it's definately possible.

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asfispimp · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

Im agreeing with everything dj ninjah said however I would have only called on the river

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asfispimp · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

Im not that good at omaha Ill admit it so I just was making a suggestion. Im not that good at reading people yet so Im just studying the game so dont take any stupid things I you might think are stupid seriously now holdem Ill argue all day. but yeah he still could have had a boat so I me personally wouldnt have raised he could have had pocket tens for all we know

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