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jspring · Full House Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 229

Are there any out there worth buying? I'm just starting to try and really improve my game, so anything will be helpful for me. Thanks.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2189

i think there's a 2+2 book out there on stud h/lo and omaha h/l, but the only book i've read so far is SS2. it gives you good basics, and what starting hands to play.

DevilfishFan · Royal Flush Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 906

High Low Split Poker For Advanced Players is truly advanced. Read Hellmuth's book for the basics, then SS2, then the one I mentioned.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject:

Either Sklansky or Zee (I forget which) recommends reading Stud for Advanced Players first before reading the stud8 section of the hi/lo book. But yeah, Hellmuth's hi/lo section in PPLTP is great for beginners. That's where I'd start.

Steamed Rice · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject:

supersystem

flafishy · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 77

I haven't read Hellmuth's book, but I think Todd Brunson's section on Stud/8 in Super System 2 is a great starting point.

longclaw · High Card Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 4

Yeah, Hellmuth for beginers, and Brunson after that. I haven't picked up the Zee book yet so I can't comment on it.

CbrCmmndr · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:42 am Post subject:

Although the differences in the games are like night and day, you'll really get the most out of the literature by getting both "Seven Card Stud for Advanced Players" by Sklansky/Malmuth/Zee and "Hi-Lo Split Poker for Advanced Players" by Ray Zee. I hate to sound like an infomercial for 2+2, but these two books are both well-considered, compact presentations of the twin games.

As you start out, remember that these books are merely illustrations of important touchstones. More than jumping in and playing hands, more than reading the books themselves, you should spend time thinking for yourself how to play the game. These two games will require a different zen in how you play, and certainly the table dynamics that you'll be constantly trying to balance will be radically different.

Try to become proficient at computing equities (flush, straight, combos) - the chance of success that accompany your hand. On 3rd and 4th streets, you'll focus more on your own hand; on 5th and 6th streets you'll turn outwards because you'll have more information on your opponents to eventually glue together every surviving player's individual "flop" and "turn" to make what you think that little table of percentages next to each of your names is (and whether a check mark is written next to your name). The cleanest place to do this is seven card stud - stud 8 is more complex because low equities have been added as a separate class. At the same time, though, you could argue that the fold equities are also much lower in stud 8, perhaps simplifying the process somewhat. For the base low limits, though, stud 8 is indeed a bit more time-consuming than stud.

Not to mention, you'll be saying "wtf" to yourself much more often during a stud 8 session. A guy who looked like he was going hi will have backdoored a 6-low, while a guy with the 2578 board will turn over trip 5's - you'll say "wtf" to yourself, but you'll then think back and realize what dude's 3-bet on 4th street meant. But like I said, it's weird, but the first book to get when looking into stud 8 just might be .. a stud hi book.

muktuk2 · Flush Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 127 Location: belgium

I vote for High low split poker by Ray Zee. As mentioned, a very good compact view on basic and advanced strategy. Also worth reading is the chapter in SS1 (didn't really feel much for the writing style of Todd Brunson in SS2).

drcossack · Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject:

There's a Stud 8 section in the original? I know Chip covers Stud High, but don't remember Stud 8.

I'll have to go with SS2 as well. It's a good starting point, though I mainly learned the game through just playing it.

muktuk2 · Flush Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 127 Location: belgium

"There's a Stud 8 section in the original? I know Chip covers Stud High, but don't remember Stud 8. "

Jup, written by Sklansky if I recall correctly. Izze nice!!

DevilfishFan · Royal Flush Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 906

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