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I thought I might be beat, but after thinking about it some more I can't believe I didn't raise it on the river. Doh! I missed out on another $4.

Full Tilt Poker Game #874265724: Table Wynn - $1/$2 - Limit Hold'em - 22:54:11 ET - 2006/08/07
Seat 1: Doti ($16.75)
Seat 2: cu420pk ($18)
Seat 3: gary ganu ($47.25)
Seat 4: xx-Wonka-xx ($13.50)
Seat 5: Mtn4Mike ($48)
Seat 6: 1973z28 ($23.75)
Seat 7: MikeChase ($55.50)
Seat 8: BOYNAMEDSUE ($57)
Seat 9: MD2020 ($50)
gary ganu posts the small blind of $0.50
xx-Wonka-xx posts the big blind of $1
MD2020 posts $1
Doti posts a dead small blind of $0.50
Doti posts $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BOYNAMEDSUE [4c 4s]
Mtn4Mike folds
1973z28 calls $1
MikeChase folds
BOYNAMEDSUE calls $1
MD2020 checks
Doti checks
cu420pk raises to $2
gary ganu calls $1.50
xx-Wonka-xx calls $1
1973z28 calls $1
BOYNAMEDSUE calls $1
MD2020 calls $1
Doti calls $1
*** FLOP *** [2c 4h 9h]
gary ganu checks
xx-Wonka-xx bets $1
1973z28 folds
BOYNAMEDSUE raises to $2
MD2020 raises to $3
Doti raises to $4
cu420pk calls $4
gary ganu calls $4
BOYNAMEDSUE: wtf?
xx-Wonka-xx calls $3
BOYNAMEDSUE calls $2
MD2020 calls $1
*** TURN *** [2c 4h 9h] [4d]
gary ganu checks
xx-Wonka-xx checks
BOYNAMEDSUE checks
MD2020 checks
Doti bets $2
cu420pk calls $2
gary ganu calls $2
xx-Wonka-xx calls $2
BOYNAMEDSUE raises to $4
MD2020 calls $4
Doti calls $2
cu420pk calls $2
gary ganu calls $2
xx-Wonka-xx calls $2
*** RIVER *** [2c 4h 9h 4d] [9d]
gary ganu checks
xx-Wonka-xx checks
BOYNAMEDSUE bets $2
MD2020 raises to $4
Doti folds
cu420pk calls $4
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gary ganu has 15 seconds left to act
gary ganu folds
xx-Wonka-xx folds
BOYNAMEDSUE: I can't fold quads
BOYNAMEDSUE calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MD2020 shows [9s 6c] (a full house, Nines full of Fours)
cu420pk mucks
BOYNAMEDSUE shows [4c 4s] (four of a kind, Fours)
BOYNAMEDSUE wins the pot ($73.50) with four of a kind, Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $74.50 | Rake $1
Board: [2c 4h 9h 4d 9d]
Seat 1: Doti folded on the River
Seat 2: cu420pk (button) mucked [Jd Js] - two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 3: gary ganu (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: xx-Wonka-xx (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: Mtn4Mike didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: 1973z28 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: MikeChase didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: BOYNAMEDSUE showed [4c 4s] and won ($73.50) with four of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: MD2020 showed [9s 6c] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Fours

stevn · Message Board Junkie Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117

why wouldn't you cap it?

deadmoney314 · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: ...

i understand the why, but it still seems incorrect--sometimes a pot that big can be distracting. A really good reason to cap here is the extra money from the cold caller on the river which you definately have beat. You can argue that the raiser will cap with you simply because 9's full looks pretty nuts and he most likely believes he is splitting with you at worst and getting the extra bets from the cold caller which he also knows he's beating. Even without the cold caller it seems obvious in hindsight it is a raising situation, your opponent will simply have to show you a better hand (especially with a cap involved). I would probably go pretty far without a cap in a live situation as well.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:01 am Post subject: ...

nh nh nh btw, forgot to mention.
Lastly, i forgot about the turn, 9's full would cap in that situation, not wait for the river (because of all the obvious flush draws out there he will get paid on the turn for raising 9's full)

mathman1115 · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:30 am Post subject:

well by the way he just cold called two big bets on the turn it was reasonable to think he had 99 for nines full and wanted to keep everyone else in the hand by not 3 betting (so i guess i disagree with deadmoney). Yes he would make extra money off of the flush chasers but weak hands may fold here and you want to keep low pp in in case they hit a full house (and in fact they would be getting odds to chase that smaller full house). He also reraised the flop bet to 3 bets, so again, he played like he could have had 99.
But like someone else said, i think you let the size of the pot distract you from making even more money. There are only two specific cards in the deck that beat you and your opponent must have both of them. When you have quads, i think you keep raising there and if he's got it, then so be it.
If this was high limit holdem with great players, i may slow down on the river just in case, but at this level, i raise until my finger hurts with quads.
Anyway, nice hand and nice pot.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:21 am Post subject:

2 things confused me during this hand.

1. MD2020's reraise on the flop. I was thinking either 22 or 99. 2 hearts would probably just call here, and he only called pre-flop, so an over-pair was unlikely.

2. The table wasn't a crazy table. When I joined the table it had, I believe, a 27% flops seen percentage. Low for a $1/2 table.

Extracting more money from my opponents when I have the best hand is defenitely a weakness of mine. Many times I'm just content to check it down, or just call, just in case I'm beat.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:32 am Post subject:

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: ...

I just re-read the HH to remind me of what went on last night and I noticed something else. If he had an unbeatable hand on the river, and was inducing bets on the turn the way you suggested, he actually makes less money by raising it on the river.
There is such a huge pot that he is better off calling hoping that the many people in the pot will make overcalls because the price the pot is laying them in addition to the hope that someone will raise behind him.
This player was pretty uberdonk to be playing 96o in the first place so you should have noticed him donking off in pots before this hand, which gives you even more fodder to say your quads were best given the action. He got exactly what he deserved for playing a weak hand like that so strongly, be glad that he drowned at the river and you were the benefactor Wink

mathman1115 · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

points well taken deadmoney. I tend to give players much more credit at these limits than they deserve.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject:

This train of thought reminded me of a really good Mike Caro article, some of it applies here and the whole is pretty good as usual. Enjoy Smile

http://www.therx.com/blog_mike-caro-the-mad-genius-of-poker-poker-meets-caros-law-of-loose-wiring.php

shomethedro · High Card Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:40 am Post subject:

C'mon, man. Let this thread die. It's embarrassing. Embarassed

NightPrince · Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:41 am Post subject:

I shall not let it die! How can you not raise that river??? Ahh good to see there are n00bs at the higher limits (than $0.25/$0.50) too.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

For future low limit discussion, he was saying this: "zomg, I have top pair! omg, omg omg, it's top pair! I flopped the nuts! I can't lose!!!!!!" and then..."oooooooooh, i turned into a full house - zomg! I HAVE A BOAT!!!!!"

That is all.

pac10pride · High Card Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 2

One more item that I haven't seen anyone comment on, the raiser posted out of position! He didn't he a call a bet initially preflop, and didn't raise preflop, making pocket 9s that much more unlikely. You missed out on more bets. Your buddy with the 9 would have capped the river, and JJ probably would have been along for the ride.

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