Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker   FAQ   Search    Register   Profile  Log in to check your private messages  Log in  Online Poker Forum - Razz: Possible to make solid part time profit??          Online Poker Forum Home -> Razz Author Message Pokit2s Message Board Junkie Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 1261 Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Razz: Possible to make solid part time profit?? Ok, so I have been playing Razz for a month or two now. I am really really starting to get the hang of this game, and it seems to come to me more naturally than any other poker game. I have played poker long enough to know that I have more to learn than I think I do. I know that there are more skilled players than me, and I intend to keep learning. But I do consider myself better than average. Anyway, my question is this.... Is there enough action in Full Tilt's Razz games to specialize in it and make a solid part time profit at say, the 1/2, 2/4, and 3/6 tables?? I am beating .25/.50, .50/1, 1/2 fairly regularly now, even though I know I still have much to study. Razz regulars, I would appreciate your replies. Back to top jbrennen Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422 Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Yeah, it's possible, but it's not easy. You've got to be good enough to beat your opponents by a bigger percentage than the house rake, and at lower limits, the rake can be pretty big. In terms of rake structure, the 3/6 tables are probably best -- out of the stakes you're talking about. I'm down overall by perhaps $100-$200 over many months of Razz playing here, but in the absence of a rake, I'd probably be up $600-$800. (Probably more, because I'd play more without a rake...) But the $100-$200 loss is basically break-even, I've won or lost that much in a single night at 2/4. That's the problem with the low stakes (but not microlimits; I'm talking 1-2, 2-4, 3-6) online games in general -- the rake percentage runs pretty high. I've been playing more 5-10 lately, due to the reduced importance of the rake, but not long enough to have any solid track record. Back to top Pokit2s Message Board Junkie Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 1261 Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Thanks for the advice jbren thats definately something I'm going to need to take into consideration. I really hadn't thought about rake so much, but that is one of the things that drove me away from the Small Stakes Limit Holdem tables, so I definately know how hard rake can make things. Back to top daniels25 High Card Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 18 Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: I think in order to make a profit you must bluff. You obviously have to pick your points, but most players feel it's all cards. A site that has some useful info is razzpokerstrategy.com. Some of the basic stuff, but also gives some examples of things that I hadn't really thought of before. Back to top jbrennen Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422 Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: daniels25 wrote: A site that has some useful info is razzpokerstrategy.com. Good reading there. I enjoyed the quote: Quote: Just about all poker players will agree that the game of Razz can be taught to anyone. I taught my 7-year-old daughter to play well enough that she was turning a "profit" at the play money tables in her first session. They got one page wrong there, though, where they talk about the rank of hands, and how you could have trips vs. trips at showdown, or that quads is the worst Razz hand... Sounds okay, except that nobody ever goes to showdown with a best hand of trips or quads -- it's basically impossible. You'll always have a better Razz hand available than trips or quads. In actual practice, the only Razz hands that count are: high card, one pair, two pair, full house. Back to top jbrennen Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422 Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:45 pm    Post subject: daniels25 wrote: I think in order to make a profit you must bluff. You obviously have to pick your points, but most players feel it's all cards. Here's a 6th street bluff which worked out for me, in a situation where I had an awful hand that didn't look too bad on the board... Quote: Full Tilt Poker Game #912595592: Table Howard Lederer - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 4:45:12 ET - 2006/08/19 Seat 1: HERO ($71.10) Seat 2: VILLAIN ($53.40) Seat 3: irvcaesar ($38.30) Seat 5: Hot33 ($76.70) Seat 6: The Dan Kim ($65.30) Seat 7: montymole ($144.95) HERO antes $0.40 The Dan Kim antes $0.40 montymole antes $0.40 irvcaesar antes $0.40 VILLAIN antes $0.40 Hot33 antes $0.40 *** 3RD STREET *** Dealt to HERO [Ah 8h] [6h] Dealt to VILLAIN [2s] Dealt to irvcaesar [Jd] Dealt to Hot33 [Ts] Dealt to The Dan Kim [Ad] Dealt to montymole [6s] irvcaesar is high with [Jd] irvcaesar brings in for $0.50 Hot33 folds The Dan Kim folds montymole folds HERO completes it to $2 VILLAIN raises to $4 irvcaesar folds HERO calls $2 *** 4TH STREET *** Dealt to HERO [Ah 8h 6h] [As] Dealt to VILLAIN [2s] [2c] HERO checks VILLAIN checks *** 5TH STREET *** Dealt to HERO [Ah 8h 6h As] [8c] Dealt to VILLAIN [2s 2c] [Td] HERO checks VILLAIN checks *** 6TH STREET *** Dealt to HERO [Ah 8h 6h As 8c] [8d] Dealt to VILLAIN [2s 2c Td] [Qh] VILLAIN bets $4 HERO raises to $8 VILLAIN folds Uncalled bet of $4 returned to HERO HERO mucks HERO wins the pot ($18.90) *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $18.90 | Rake $0 Seat 1: HERO collected ($18.90), mucked Seat 2: VILLAIN folded on 6th St. Seat 3: irvcaesar folded on 3rd St. Seat 5: Hot33 folded on 3rd St. Seat 6: The Dan Kim folded on 3rd St. Seat 7: montymole folded on 3rd St. This is an example of betting your board vs. your opponent's board, rather than your own cards. I don't think I played the hand particularly well -- I should have bet out on 4th and again on 5th. But it worked out okay, and I actually won more than I probably would have if I'd played it right -- I probably would have gotten a small bet called on 4th street and a fold on 5th street. Back to top number1stunna4 Four of a Kind Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 287 Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: eww. who would play this fish game anyway. I prefer Go Fish. Back to top don svenne Royal Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 689 Location: Skövde Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: number1stunna4 wrote: eww. who would play this fish game anyway. I prefer Go Fish. just play 7 low hands all the time or try to get heads up wit a person and outplay them, like i do=) Back to top asfispimp Message Board Junkie Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 1763 Location: vegas Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: thats what I always do in play money have any advice for the razz freerolls Back to top CrustyFace Pair Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 26 Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: @Pokit2s: I think you might find that at the lower levels the SNG games are far easier to beat and profit from than the ring games. I can alost guarantee a cash finish in SNGs. Crusty Back to top don svenne Royal Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 689 Location: Skövde Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: CrustyFace wrote: @Pokit2s: I think you might find that at the lower levels the SNG games are far easier to beat and profit from than the ring games. I can alost guarantee a cash finish in SNGs. Crusty thats true, but i have played over 50 sng horse, won 47 total and the ´money in 2, that must be im good? its always in the razz i get to the chiplead Back to top sig tau soldier Two Pair Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 75 Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: The other day i played a 5.50 tournament with 148 people and ended up winning. Razz is my favorite game because you find SO MANY DONKEYS it is crazy. Although i did get called down by a guy with AAJ showing and lost some chips because sometimes they just catch better cards. I did take 4 rough beats in the tourny but luckaly I had 10000 and only lost 1500 to 2000 each hand. I did lose with the better first 5 cards every hand in that small stretch. Razz is great when you know how to pick your spots so i reccamend every Razz tourny possible because it is a very juicy game and the good players will do very good nearly every single time. If you are naturally aggressive you will do much better than tight players. My 2 cents Back to top don svenne Royal Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 689 Location: Skövde Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: sig tau soldier wrote: The other day i played a 5.50 tournament with 148 people and ended up winning. Razz is my favorite game because you find SO MANY DONKEYS it is crazy. Although i did get called down by a guy with AAJ showing and lost some chips because sometimes they just catch better cards. I did take 4 rough beats in the tourny but luckaly I had 10000 and only lost 1500 to 2000 each hand. I did lose with the better first 5 cards every hand in that small stretch. Razz is great when you know how to pick your spots so i reccamend every Razz tourny possible because it is a very juicy game and the good players will do very good nearly every single time. If you are naturally aggressive you will do much better than tight players. My 2 cents so how are you going with the razz plan? Back to top sig tau soldier Two Pair Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 75 Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: I like to play razz every time I get on. It is the first thing I look to play because the games are so juicy. Sometimes it sucks to get cold decked which can happen for an entire tourny sometimes. I am up 300 in 10 days. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Online Poker Forum Home -> Razz All times are GMT - 4 Hours Page 1 of 1 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

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