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icebreaker5105 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 69

Full Tilt Poker Game #815975383: Table Riviera - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:36:43 ET - 2006/07/20
Seat 1: deeron21 ($13.10)
Seat 2: MarkGreb ($5.40)
Seat 3: phrosty ($28.70)
Seat 4: tottistar ($31.05)
Seat 5: Lake 22 ($8.65)
Seat 6: icebreaker5105 ($23.70)
Seat 7: KeoPSSPoeK ($23.20)
Seat 8: kraada ($47.55)
Seat 9: turbo-wardog ($10)
phrosty posts the small blind of $0.10
tottistar posts the big blind of $0.25
turbo-wardog posts $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to icebreaker5105 [Qd Qc]
Lake 22 folds
icebreaker5105 raises to $0.75
KeoPSSPoeK calls $0.75
kraada folds
turbo-wardog calls $0.50
deeron21 calls $0.75
MarkGreb calls $0.75
phrosty folds
tottistar folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 7c Td]
icebreaker5105 checks
KeoPSSPoeK bets $1.25
turbo-wardog folds
deeron21 raises to $4
MarkGreb folds
icebreaker5105 raises to $22.95, and is all in
KeoPSSPoeK folds
deeron21 calls $8.35, and is all in
icebreaker5105 shows [Qd Qc]
deeron21 shows [8d Kd]
Uncalled bet of $10.60 returned to icebreaker5105
*** TURN *** [2d 7c Td] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [2d 7c Td 8h] [8s]
icebreaker5105 shows two pair, Queens and Eights
deeron21 shows three of a kind, Eights
deeron21 wins the pot ($28.55) with three of a kind, Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $30.05 | Rake $1.50
Board: [2d 7c Td 8h 8s]
Seat 1: deeron21 showed [8d Kd] and won ($28.55) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: MarkGreb (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: phrosty (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: tottistar (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Lake 22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: icebreaker5105 showed [Qd Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 7: KeoPSSPoeK folded on the Flop
Seat 8: kraada didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: turbo-wardog folded on the Flop

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4626 Location: ROK

You raised it preflop and kept the pressure on, nothing else you can really do.

dumwaldo · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:27 am Post subject:

I am sorry but i completely disagree with big slick on this. You most definately misplayed the hand. What were you trying to do? slow play? trap? Your play does not make a whole lot of sense to me. If you were trying to slow play or trap you should have made a modest reraise to give your opponant a chance to fold. By holding onto your chips you would have had another opportunity to bet and another chance for your opponant to fiold.

Instead you pushed all in (after checking) with a flush draw on the board when your opponant would have the best odds that his hand could afford him. Had you played it out to the turn card your opponant might not have been so inclined to call when his chances of hitting the flush have been reduced to half what they were on the flop.

I like your pre-flop raise but I would have played it very differently once the flop hit. I would have bet out around the size of the pot, $3 or $4. If that got re-raised i would have just called it based on the suspicion I was up against a flush draw.

Now the turn card comes, I bet out about $10 to $12, close to the pot size. Chances are better than not that the flush draw will fold at this point but in the event he calls I still have options because I still have chips. This would effecively put deeron all in at this point so he would be up against a difficult decision. Does he want to call away the rest of his stack against a guy that bet out at every opportunity when he has nothing more than a draw and only one card to come.

This is probably where the hand would end but I am going to pretend that deeron had more money just to walk through the rest of the hand.

Now the river hits and pairs the board. Suddenly I have to contend with possibilities that were impossible or improbable before this card. Suddenly in one card quads that were not possible before are possible, a full house is possible, trips that were rather improbable before are probable now. I know board pairs are hand killers.

Since the pot has grown so big and my stack has become so small the only option I have left for betting is to push all in or check. The pot already has plenty of money in it for it to be a profitable hand if I win it. The board pair does not help me. there is no reason i can think of that I would bet this river card so I check.

Deeron has hit trips and bets out the size of the pot and I am now faced with a tough decision. Call and be drawn all in or fold and live to fight another day and hopefully take back the lost money later. I would probably fold even if it was a bad fold because in this situation a bad fold will cost less than a bad beat.

What strategy was there behind check raising yourself all in on the flop? You were facing 2 players with strong enough hands that they BOTH raised pre-flop.

icebreaker5105 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 69

i was playing a check raise. both players bet every flop and deeron21 would bet out big on any draw he had flush or strait, and deeron21 would always check if he hit on the flop. so i figured at least one player would bet out on the flop and i would raise then. now when deer reraised i thought a call would be the wrong choice here, and a small raise i might have had two callers. i realy did not thing they would put all chips in the pot on a draw.

comments please on my thinking

icebreaker5105 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 69

i was hopeing for some more feed back on my thought prosses

cypress_98 · Royal Flush Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 592

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