Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker   FAQ   Search    Register   Profile  Log in to check your private messages  Log in  Online Poker Forum - Keeping track of cards Goto page 1, 2  Next          Online Poker Forum Home -> Razz Author Message bigbri140 High Card Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Keeping track of cards I am new to razz but anxious to learn. Any know of an easy system to keep travk of cards out and a formula to value those cards? I am 60 yrs old and don't have the recall i once had. OK maybe i never had good recall. Can you help me? Back to top Pokit2s Message Board Junkie Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 1261 Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Maybe instead of trying to keep track of exactly how many of each cards have been folded, it might be easier just to count how many cards between say, A and 7 have been spoken for. There are 28 cards from A to 7. Everytime you see one, you can just subtract from 28 and keep track of that number. It would take a lot of practice and a gifted ability to remember each specific card. Back to top KGBlovesOreos Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Keeping track of cards bigbri140 wrote: I am new to razz but anxious to learn. Any know of an easy system to keep travk of cards out and a formula to value those cards? I am 60 yrs old and don't have the recall i once had. OK maybe i never had good recall. Can you help me? Well, I don't know of a formula to value the cards, but there is a way you can keep track of them (at least when you play online). In the chatbox window, type in every up card you see, and even if your opponents fold them, you'll still be able to "remember" what they mucked. I believe it was AlexScottUK who mentioned this idea a while back. Back to top bgiv3824 Pair Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Miami and Orlando Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: to KGB how did u do that thing in ur signature? its pretty cool Back to top KGBlovesOreos Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: to KGB bgiv3824 wrote: how did u do that thing in ur signature? its pretty cool One of the moderators, GripHoldOn, created it for me for a small fee of $5. I don't know if he's still making them, but you can ask. Back to top OpDS311 Message Board Junkie Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 4320 Location: hopefully someplace with a Piggly Wiggly Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: I like pokits idea. Back to top guitarguy178 Message Board Junkie Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1775 Location: St. Louis Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: OpDS311 wrote: I like pokits idea. While it's a good theory, it doesn't really work. You need to know how many of each specific number are left. If you are thinking ok, I have 24 outs left and the next card dealt to you is a 7, do you now have 23 outs? No, you need to know how many other 7s did you account for in your outs. Was that the last 7 or was that the first 7? If my opponent hits a 3 and I have seen three other 3s mucked, then I know for sure he didn't pair. Knowing what cards remain can really tell you a story of what your opponent holds and how likely you are to improve or brick on the next card. Back to top OpDS311 Message Board Junkie Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 4320 Location: hopefully someplace with a Piggly Wiggly Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: I'd learn to shut up eventually....you would think. Back to top Pokit2s Message Board Junkie Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 1261 Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:06 pm    Post subject: guitarguy178 wrote: OpDS311 wrote: I like pokits idea. While it's a good theory, it doesn't really work. You need to know how many of each specific number are left. If you are thinking ok, I have 24 outs left and the next card dealt to you is a 7, do you now have 23 outs? No, you need to know how many other 7s did you account for in your outs. Was that the last 7 or was that the first 7? If my opponent hits a 3 and I have seen three other 3s mucked, then I know for sure he didn't pair. Knowing what cards remain can really tell you a story of what your opponent holds and how likely you are to improve or brick on the next card. Thats a good point. Guess I didnt think of that, but this was only a very basic idea. I actually think learning correct basic strategy might help the original poster more than card counting though. Back to top BOYNAMEDSUE Moderator Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 7397 Location: Toronto Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: guitarguy178 wrote: OpDS311 wrote: I like pokits idea. While it's a good theory, it doesn't really work. You need to know how many of each specific number are left. If you are thinking ok, I have 24 outs left and the next card dealt to you is a 7, do you now have 23 outs? No, you need to know how many other 7s did you account for in your outs. Was that the last 7 or was that the first 7? If my opponent hits a 3 and I have seen three other 3s mucked, then I know for sure he didn't pair. Knowing what cards remain can really tell you a story of what your opponent holds and how likely you are to improve or brick on the next card. True. In one of Phil Gordon's 2005 WSOP podcasts he was talking to Todd Brunson about razz and Todd said something that blew my mind. He basically said that an 84A or some mediocre razz could actually be a favourite over a hand like 632, depending on what cards are showing. For that reason you need to keep track of each rank of card that's been exposed. And the best way to do that is by using the chat window. "68477". Very easy. Back to top jbrennen Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422 Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: BOYNAMEDSUE wrote: True. In one of Phil Gordon's 2005 WSOP podcasts he was talking to Todd Brunson about razz and Todd said something that blew my mind. He basically said that an 84A or some mediocre razz could actually be a favourite over a hand like 632, depending on what cards are showing. http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1882924 84A vs. 632, with dead cards 4, 4, A, and A: 84A is a 58% favorite. Back to top AlexScottUK Straight Flush Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 416 Location: Isle of Man Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Keeping track of cards KGBlovesOreos wrote: In the chatbox window, type in every up card you see, and even if your opponents fold them, you'll still be able to "remember" what they mucked. I believe it was AlexScottUK who mentioned this idea a while back. I call it the 'Amazing Scott Method of Card Remembering'. I'm taking ideas for a better name. 10 points to the winner. Back to top AlexScottUK Straight Flush Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 416 Location: Isle of Man Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject: Oh, and The Amazing Scott Method Of Card Remembering (TASMOCR) can be used in a variety of other exciting ways, including: 1. Typing the cards into Notepad 2. Typing the cards into Wordpad 3. Typing the cards into Word 4. Writing the cards down on a piece of paper (writing instrument and supply of paper sold seperately) 5. Etching the upcards into your forearm with a knife (the self-harm variant) 6. Writing the cards down on a virgin's naked body in your own blood (the cliched satanist method) Back to top CrazyJoeDavola Straight Flush Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 393 Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Quote: 5. Etching the upcards into your forearm with a knife (the self-harm variant) 6. Writing the cards down on a virgin's naked body in your own blood (the cliched satanist method) OK Scott, that just proves you've been playing WAY too much Razz, lol Back to top SlySelea Straight Flush Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 422 Location: New Buffalo, MI Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: It's a bad habit to get in to, but if you turn the dealer chat to "everything" you can reference the cards already dealt. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Online Poker Forum Home -> Razz All times are GMT - 4 Hours Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

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