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Vania
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:44 am    Post subject: Online poker robots: you can't win. Reply with quote

But of course online poker is legit!

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money-savers/article.html?in_article_id=405335&in_page_id=5
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money-savers/article.html?in_article_id=405333&in_page_id=5

For those who have an ego issue with the online poker is rigged topic, and are going to insult me ("if you can't beat bots you're gay" and such), a quote from Slansky:
Professional player and author David Sklansky is the world's foremost expert on poker - books such as The Theory Of Poker have made him a godlike figure to many bot programmers. He believes getting bots to collude is not only viable but a genuine threat to regular players.

'The biggest problem for card rooms is the bots that are programmed to collude. If you have two or three of your own bots in the same game, then besides playing the basic strategy, they will be able to play an improved strategy based on knowing each other's own cards, and will really cause the other players to struggle.

'If you had a game with three world champion players and three players at a lower individual level who were colluding (sharing cards and information), then all three world champions would eventually lose.'

Funny thing, at the poker robots website, they name full-tilt as been the best place to use those bots and cheat you off your money.

I'd still like to find a serious article on how random generator are not so random...

Hope this post won't be removed.


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supfool123
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: Online pokerbots: you can't win. Reply with quote

Vania wrote:
Hope this post won't be removed.


I hope it is.
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junkbutton
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Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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Location: Gutterrock, NY

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Online poker robots: you can't win. Reply with quote

Vania wrote:


'If you had a game with three world champion players and three players at a lower individual level who were colluding (sharing cards and information), then all three world champions would eventually lose.'



I've got nothing to discredit the OP... But this line is just silly... On any given day, Supfool could take down three pros by himself!

Unlikely, but it could happen....
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cypress_98
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Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooo this explains why I can't win.

LMAO Laughing


I will admit that this is slightly disturbing. But since I am a donk, there is no way a bot can fend off my donktastic moves. LMAO
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supfool123
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Online poker robots: you can't win. Reply with quote

[quote="junkbutton"]
Vania wrote:
On any given day, Supfool could take down three pros by himself!

Unlikely, but it could happen....


Thanks for the support junk. Oh, you were being sarcastic.

Junk in the trunk, junk in the trunk, I like the girls with the junk in the trunk. For some reason that's what I say in my head everytime I see your sn.
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AP KING
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supfool123
Quote:
Junk in the trunk, junk in the trunk, I like the girls with the junk in the trunk. For some reason that's what I say in my head everytime I see your sn.



LOL!.......Crap,I can't get it out of my head.Now there's two of us that will be thinking that when JB posts a reply.
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drcossack
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bots? I'll play them any day of the week and break them.
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deadmoney314
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

its not that we think you are paranoid or dumb in anyway, its just that there are too many flaws in your argument to even begin to consider that you have stumbled onto something new besides the normal bad arguments for bots. Just run a search on collusion threads here and i'll leave it up to you to figure out the fallacy with your argument.
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Vania
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Joined: 31 May 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not making the argument here, just pointing to two articles that I wish i had read before putting money in there. The point is, if there's even a chance of playing against colluding bots, that have tons of data on every hand you play you're in for a serious loss. As I mention before the most famous of those bots site mention full tilt as been one of the 3 ideal places to use them. (You'll have to trust me on that one cause i'm not, for obvious reasons, going to post that link here). Ever been in a room where no one would answer you or say a word? And loose big money?
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junkbutton
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hardly ever talk when playing... Not because I'm a bot... But because I'm probably busy looking at porn...
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cypress_98
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

junkbutton wrote:
I hardly ever talk when playing... Not because I'm a bot... But because I'm probably busy looking at porn...



Ha. you do that too?? Wow I thought it was just me. Nothing like panting and pounding in the background to help you concentrate and play you A game. LOL Very Happy
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deadmoney314
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

When you get to limits that matter, the table is often quiet. This is because people will mute you if you chat useless banter--I do it as well most of the time. When someone at my table makes a bad play and rivers another and I hear the loser say "nh" and the winner say "ty", I mute both of them. A quiet game is usually a sign that you have serious opponents that are concentrating on making good decisions, and not here to "have fun" while trying to get lucky.
What makes you think you cannot get data on your opponents as well? If you can't peg everyone on a style in a short time and figure out how well your decisions are stacking up vs your opponents, don't expect to win vs real players -or- bots. Again, re-read all the bot threads and collusion threads here to get better explanations on why this is a non-issue anyway.
Good luck
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xx_trinsic_xx
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Joined: 06 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha you know what they say junk and cypress great minds think alike Laughing
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