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cjkeno · High Card Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 1

During a tourney final table there were 8 people left, top 6 made the cut and advanced to Sunday's tourney.
One player's ante made him all-in (not much money), another player raised (not all-in but had $3000 left), everybody else folded, I was the chip leader and called with A,3. Flop came A, 4, 5. So I said "should we check down" but the other player raised all-in with his $3000(he raised with nothing).so I called and ended up winning the hand, busted the last 2 people, 6 final players are in. This other player, who by the way had it in for me big time during the tourney, calling me names throughout, said I colluded.
The guy had it in for me because I had his number in a bunch of hands, but please tell me this guy was smoking some crack. he said he was going to report me for colluding. How the hell did I collude? Don't "poker players" know you suppose to check down in a situation like that? It just bothers me because he said he was going to report me . Someone please let me know that this was indeed cool. Thnx

ephro · Two Pair Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 52

While checking it down is ok, you can't ask another player if they want to check it down while someone else is in the pot.

col�lu�sion n.
A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.

Since you called the other players all in, it would be hard to say that you were colluding, since it takes more than one party.

Checking down is ok, just don't ask the other players in the hand to do it when there is an all-in.

ephro

Scott Dodd · Pair Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 47 Location: Shreveport La

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So I said "should we check down"

i take it you said this to the 3ed player in the hand pryer to him going all in. i dont see this as collution..but still its best not to say anything just play your hand your way.

You Are right in most cases it is best to check the all in player down... but some players don�t do it so if you have a good hand don�t let the 3rd player force you out
if he wants to give you chips so be it.... as for the reporting you for some sort of collusion if you didn�t do it he has nothing to report.. lets look at it player 1 goes all in player 2 calls the all in now if player 3 put more then the call bet in he made that choice sounds to me like a bad bluff. as for reporting some one if he was cursing you over the the chat window you are the one that has a reportable offence look in the FAQ at the code of conduct

Steve Brecher · Full Tilt Pro Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 115

xjellyfishx · Pair Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 40

Even though its common, checking it down just to have 2 hands up against 1 is pretty shady. If you flop top pair and check it down, thats not good poker. Especially if you make a comment about checking all the way! If you have a hand why not try and extract extra chips from the third player in. If he has a drawing hand worthy of knocking out the other player, (flush draw or open straight draw) he will stay with you anyway.

Blaster · Three of a Kind Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 76

Zaneyone · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:

Whether or not the site considers it collusion, I wouldn't risk having my bankroll frozen for it. Just check it down and if the other person bets, then decide if you want to call, raise, or fold. The guy was probably just PO'd and if he didn't bust out that hand he would have soon after.

GTKID · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:05 am Post subject:

Checking it down is also really when neither of you have a hand yet and bluffing a dry side pot would be horrible. With top pair, a gutshot, and a chip lead, I would always force the other player to the test to maximize my standing. Just as his all in might allow him to win the pot with K hi or something if you have a gutshot that would have hit. He has to maximize his chance. And saying "let's check it down" out loud is collusion. Its an understood thing ussually, but you can't verbally say it.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:21 am Post subject:

How common is the check down?

Is it assumed when one person is all-in, the other players check down 'til the end, or at least until someone has a hand so big they can't check anymore?

I was taught never to bet into an empty pot. I wish more people did the same. Nothing burns me more than someone betting big into an empty pot, forcing me out, than showing a bluff. he wins nothing, and the guy/girl who's all-in wins the pot.

JS13_TPS · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:32 am Post subject:

If his blind/ante put him all in, then I have to say checking it down was not the right play. Basically he's out of the hand, even if he wins he's very short.

IMHO, this was a pot with 2 players in it and should have been played that way.

Now, if the first player was short stacked and elected to push it, then it is common to check it down if neither have a hand. As you said, don't bluff into a dry side pot. However, if you flop a very strong hand betting isn't a bad play.

Never talk about hands in play. In a tournament when a player faces elimination I don't consider it colluding, in a ring game where your not playing against each other and there is a real money pot involved, then yes.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

If you think you have the best hand, why in the world would you check it down? It's more important to build your chip stack than it is to knock an extremely short stack out. Even if he triples up, he still has enough for what? One round? You're better off playing the pot as if it was a two person pot and trying to get the most chips out of the other guy.

justnbex · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: Re:

Zaneyone · Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:

justin, I think this post was about someone BLUFFING at a dry side pot. Obviously if you have a made hand that you think will beat the all in persons hand, you want to bet to get the others to fold so they don't have a chance to catch something and win it. Please tell us you understand that and mistakenly posted the obvious.....thanks

Zaneyone · Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject:

Sorry just read the whole thing again and it was about collusion but got side tracked on checking down. Still, asking other players to check down is collusion IMO and bluffing at a DRY side pot is not a correct play.

justnbex · Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: Re:

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