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deadmoney314
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 Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: House of Rep to vote RE: ONLINE POKER |
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Yo, i've only seen sporadic coverage of this but the house is geared up to vote on HR 4411 (or is it HR4477).
I'm surprised I haven't heard anything yet on these forums. In any case, contact your representative if you haven't already and tell him/her something like this...
I voted for you in the last election but I am gauging my vote this term on whether or not you support the ban on internet poker. If you vote yes on the ban I will vote for your opponent in this election -whether or not they support the ban as well-. etc. etc. |
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deadmoney314
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griffinlord
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Re: House of Rep to vote RE: ONLINE POKER |
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| deadmoney314 wrote: |
| Yo, i've only seen sporadic coverage of this but the house is geared up to vote on HR 4411 (or is it HR4477).. |
Two bills attacking us in different ways. I think today is 4411 (I'll check the new feeds for more info) which focuses on the banking industry and transfering of funds to gambling sites. (Again I'll check the links someone else provided.) |
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signal-w
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| well, it passed. is this the end or what? someone tell me there is a loophole or something. |
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The Scruff
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Passed the house of Representatives.
Still has to pass in the Senate where it is not viewed as a priority, according to the spokes-slime.
This one had all the bases:
-- morality
-- think of the children
-- terrorists laundering money
Don't you love an election year in a theocracy? |
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UFO1947
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| if this passes then online poker is completely dead? |
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griffinlord
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The Scruff wrote: |
Passed the house of Representatives.
Still has to pass in the Senate where it is not viewed as a priority, according to the spokes-slime.
This one had all the bases:
-- morality
-- think of the children
-- terrorists laundering money
Don't you love an election year in a theocracy? |
Passing the senate is going to be a lot tougher.
Right now the Republicans are in trouble and they know it...they need to get the religious conservatives out to vote 'cause they've p$ssed off the fiscal conservatives and a lot of others who might vote republican. If they don't the Democrats could take control of the House in Nov. They are scrambling for something they can campaign on and the "evil internet gambling" is an easy target.
Don't look for the Senate to consider these bills until after the Nov. Elections...possibly not until next spring. If the Republicans lose big in Nov then don't look for these bills to see the light of day in the Senate. |
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nohandnodraw
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It must also be considered that there is much in the relevant bills that the banking industry does not like, as well as the WTO. As GriffinLord already pointed out, a lot of this has to do with face-saving. These bills may have gained some momentum recently, but that still does mean that they are destined to pass with flying colors. Politicians will draft bills that they know are doomed to fail, if only to stay relevant with their base voters. Indeed, Goodlatte has gone down this road before and his legislation never seems to have legitimate legs to stand on. The debate over Internet gambling has been going on since the earliest days of the Internet!
Okay...okay... some of you may wonder what will happen if these laws pass. Well, quite frankly, not much. The only thing that will change (and I seriously doubt these bills will go much further) is that you will have to deal with only foreign escrow services and gambling sites (which is already a given). You will still be able to play online.
With that said, American players should still be somewhat concerned because passge of these bills takes away more of your legal recourse in the instance of a grievance. |
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jussurreal
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| nohandnodraw wrote: |
It must also be considered that there is much in the relevant bills that the banking industry does not like, as well as the WTO. As GriffinLord already pointed out, a lot of this has to do with face-saving. These bills may have gained some momentum recently, but that still does mean that they are destined to pass with flying colors. Politicians will draft bills that they know are doomed to fail, if only to stay relevant with their base voters. Indeed, Goodlatte has gone down this road before and his legislation never seems to have legitimate legs to stand on. The debate over Internet gambling has been going on since the earliest days of the Internet!
Okay...okay... some of you may wonder what will happen if these laws pass. Well, quite frankly, not much. The only thing that will change (and I seriously doubt these bills will go much further) is that you will have to deal with only foreign escrow services and gambling sites (which is already a given). You will still be able to play online.
With that said, American players should still be somewhat concerned because passge of these bills takes away more of your legal recourse in the instance of a grievance. |
Wrong. If it passes the senate, the people living in the united states will be blocked from all gambling sites. That is written in one of the bills. All american ISP's will block access to any and all poker related gambling sites. From a site I just looked up:
"The legislation would clarify existing law by declaring Internet gambling illegal. It would cut off payments to betting Web sites and would allow authorities to work with Internet providers to block access to gambling Web sites"
http://www.gambling911.com/071106daily.html |
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nohandnodraw
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There are a lot of Constitutional and logistical issues that, in effect, take the wind out of the part of H.R. 4777 that specifically address how ISPs are affected by this legislation. If you look at the following passage from H.R. 4777, you will see what I mean:
"Relief granted under paragraph (1) against an interactive computer service (as defined in section 230(f) of the Communications Act of 1934) shall--
`(A) be limited to the removal of, or disabling of access to, an online site violating this section, or a hypertext link to an online site violating this section, that resides on a computer server that such service controls or operates; except this limitation shall not apply if the service is violating this section or is in active concert with a person who is violating this section and receives actual notice of the relief;
`(B) be available only after notice to the interactive computer service and an opportunity for the service to appear are provided;
`(C) not impose any obligation on an interactive computer service to monitor its service or to affirmatively seek facts indicating activity violating this section;
`(D) specify the interactive computer service to which it applies; and
`(E) specifically identify the location of the online site or hypertext link to be removed or access to which is to be disabled.'."
(Source: Library of Congress < http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109StPxID:e10171: >)
There are a lot of holes in this proposed bill that will shut down this aspect of the legislation before it ever even gets close to the President's desk. Under the current wording, there are also any number of ways that sites and players can easily continue with business as usual. |
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jussurreal
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| Hey I really hope you're right..........this whole internet ban thing is like communism.........its "outrageous" as the democrat from massachusets said. |
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UFO1947
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next thing you know you guys might march into poland  |
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Zherohour
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It sucks for sure, but if it becomes law....you can still gamble online. Just makes it harder for the casual gamer and accesibility.
Use Neteller (not a gambling site) and your bank will still accept debit/credit's. No worries. Check out the thread in the lounge for more. |
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jussurreal
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Also, if it passes Americans won't be able to play for things like seats to the WSOP or other fun promotional stuff(on the internet), because if we win a seat and go there we will be arrested on the spot for playing on the internet 
I won a $5200 seat to the poker classic(which starts on the internet and then the top 45 left win a trip to barcelona to finish it at a B&M. 1 million in prize money. And I might not even get to play in it |
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