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bigdustinb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Noobs and their damn books Reply with quote

Please all new players take this advice. Dont think that reading books makes u a good poker player. Books give some good advice but not as much as u can learn from playing money games and following ur gut. I have been playin money games with friends for 5 yrs now and im only 18. So im pretty experienced and I am pretty dominent at the poker tables and I love newbies who walk in with their knowledge from a book and think they can beat me. Every man and his dog has a book and they all say the same thing so dont waste ur money. Please just play to learn and use experience to ur advantage.


If anyone wants some tips on how to play better dont be afraid to ask.
And if anyone wants to try and say books are good please post and if u want to agree with me and bad mouth them please post I like all comments they are funny hahaha
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JJ608
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so pleased that most denizens of this forum are smart, erudite, and don't use keyboarding-speak. Not to mention words like "noobs".

Remember folks, this child is the future of this country. Pray for us.
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Zherohour
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just made me laugh out loud. (I lol'd) Rolling Eyes
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bigdustinb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:55 pm    Post subject: haha Reply with quote

hahah sorry that I use so called "keyboard speak" but noobs is all I can call them because donks is retarded and I cant swear on here. Also Im 18 so I use shortened words and ****. Also I am becoming a computer and software engineer so get ready cuz I am the future hahaha
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Riddim
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the thing with books is that a lot of people seem to either overestimate them or underestimate them. Books can be great for your game, either as a way to minimize your losses as a beginner or to maximize your winnings by introducing some new concepts once you've played a bit longer. They won't do the actual work for you though, you still have to understand how and why these concepts work to apply them properly in as many situations as possible. I've only been playing for real money for less than a year, and I know that reading about poker has helped me tremendously. Books can't just change the way you play, but make you consider other factors when thinking about the game as well, which is a lot more important in my opinion.
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stevn
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAN, screw noobs! i'm 18 and i'm KING OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!! did i mention i'm the best poker player ever! ha hahahha
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bigdustinb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Yes Reply with quote

Thanks Riddim u have backed up my point Im not sayin books are all bad and dont read them Im just saying that you should play ur own game and noobs that think they are good because they read books are what I hate. Books may have helped u riddim but talkin to an experienced player would prolly help more if u wanna kno anything just ask.

PS Stevn I am the best player in the world and Im only 18 so shove it hahaha
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mdroz247
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Noobs and their damn books Reply with quote

bigdustinb wrote:
So im pretty experienced and I am pretty dominent at the poker tables.

If anyone wants some tips on how to play better dont be afraid to ask.


Will you please teach me Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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lucky_strike_86
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP overdosed on his full of himself pills.
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Jaconda78
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, you're making all teenagers look bad. First of all, 5 years isn't much experience - there are people on these forums that have played for over 20 years. Secondly, what do you have against bad players? They're where you make your money - don't complain!
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dumwaldo
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good players do not condescend poor players. It encourages them to play better and that is less profitable.

If you want to see a real donkey, just check in the mirror. I am sure you have a mean 25¢/50¢ game but perhaps you should read a book and figure out why such an experienced player is still playing in play money games.

peace,
dumwaldo

dumwaldo (Observer): why don't you just join a cash table here on FT Dustin?
A high roller like you must have a nice bankroll
BigDustinB: haha nope not old enough to get dredit card
Dealer: pnkprincess69 has 15 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: ill try some freerolls to get soem real money
Dealer: pnkprincess69 has timed out
dumwaldo (Observer): you don't need a credit card. I don't use one.
BigDustinB: tonight ill do the freerol and win 5 bucks
BigDustinB: what do u use
dumwaldo (Observer): echeck direct from my checking account
Dealer: blkice has 15 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: nice
BigDustinB: ill try that
Dealer: blkice has timed out
Dealer: BigDustinB shows [Jd 5d]
Dealer: lipsasian shows [9h Ac]
BigDustinB: id have to get a bank account again i deal in cash atm
Dealer: BigDustinB shows a pair of Jacks
Dealer: lipsasian shows a pair of Aces
Dealer: lipsasian wins the pot (1,605) with a pair of Aces
Dealer: Hand #790113426
Dealer: 5 seconds left to act
dumwaldo (Observer): cash, not excuses. right?
BigDustinB: what
tonybgrr8: y u bein a dik'
BigDustinB: who
BigDustinB: me
tonybgrr8: dum
hd1roadking: don't you feel silly playing at a 5.10 tablle w/ that bank roll??!!!!
hd1roadking: lmao
BigDustinB: cuz thats how i play poker
Dealer: BigDustinB has 15 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: no no
BigDustinB: u can only put 1k in
Dealer: BigDustinB has timed out
BigDustinB: i won this all here at this table
hd1roadking: yea..........ok!
dumwaldo (Observer): dude these free games and the real money stuff are a
world apart. you talk smack and you are nothing but a free play donkey
hd1roadking: lol
hd1roadking: lol
BigDustinB: umm how bout i play live real money alot
hd1roadking: lmao
Dealer: lipsasian shows [Qs 3h]
Dealer: pnkprincess69 shows [9c Ad]
Dealer: aloysius61 shows [8h 8d]
BigDustinB: with alot of people in town like 30 people tournies with 100 buck
buy in
hd1roadking: HAHAHAHAHA
Dealer: lipsasian shows two pair, Queens and Twos
Dealer: pnkprincess69 shows two pair, Aces and Twos
Dealer: pnkprincess69 wins the side pot (1,260) with two pair, Aces and Twos
Dealer: aloysius61 shows two pair, Eights and Twos
Dealer: pnkprincess69 wins the main pot (3,005) with two pair, Aces and Twos
BigDustinB: im only 18 i cant go to casino
Dealer: Hand #790121322
Dealer: 5 seconds left to act
tonybgrr8: same..and if i put cash in i only play in cash tourneys for
experience and not just to lose it
BigDustinB: im 18 and have been playin money for 5 yrs
BigDustinB: i have mad experience
Dealer: blkice has 15 seconds left to act
hd1roadking: LOL.LOLO./.O.OLOLOLOLOLO
BigDustinB: whats funny
BigDustinB: its the truth
Dealer: blkice has timed out
BigDustinB: wait till i get money oin this site we will play
Dealer: pnkprincess69 shows [6s As]
Dealer: hd1roadking shows [Ah 2d]
Dealer: lipsasian shows [Jc 7h]
tonybgrr8: at 18 u got no experience 4 poker even if u been layin since u were
10
hd1roadking: HEHEHEHE.....u crack me up
Dealer: pnkprincess69 wins side pot #2 (3,200)
Dealer: pnkprincess69 shows two pair, Aces and Fives
Dealer: lipsasian shows a pair of Fives
Dealer: pnkprincess69 wins side pot #1 (15) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Dealer: hd1roadking shows two pair, Aces and Fives
Dealer: pnkprincess69 ties for the main pot (798) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Dealer: hd1roadking ties for the main pot (797) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Dealer: Hand #790125969
BigDustinB: are u kiddin me i have more experience than some pros
tonybgrr8: lol
dumwaldo (Observer): look me up when you get some money on the site....
dumwaldo (Observer): PLEASE!!!!
BigDustinB: money maker is a hack and had no experience and he won
BigDustinB: i will

This is getting fun....

BigDustinB: do u guys like watchin the massacre im puttin on here
dumwaldo (Observer): dustin, i want to give you $20 to play some real money
games with but i think there should be some accountability fo it.
dumwaldo (Observer): how about tomorow you post on the foum and give a
screen shot of your account page with $40 in it. if you can't do that then you
appologise for the smack talking.
BigDustinB: hahaha i wont have money on here by then
Dealer: BigDustinB has 15 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: abnd ill smack talk all i want
Dealer: tonybgrr8 shows [9h Ac]
Dealer: Stinky 22 shows [4c Qs]
Dealer: BigDustinB shows [Js 7c]
Dealer: eightball55 shows [Kc Jc]
Dealer: tonybgrr8 shows a pair of Nines
Dealer: BigDustinB shows Queen Jack high
Dealer: tonybgrr8 wins side pot #2 (7,114) with a pair of Nines
Dealer: Stinky 22 shows two pair, Queens and Fours
Dealer: Stinky 22 wins side pot #1 (1,353) with two pair, Queens and Fours
Dealer: eightball55 shows King Queen high
Dealer: Stinky 22 wins the main pot (4,010) with two pair, Queens and Fours
dumwaldo (Observer): no, i will GIVE you the $20. then all you have to do is
turn it into $40 by tomorow.
Dealer: Hand #790171148
BigDustinB: k
BigDustinB: ill have it by tommro
Dealer: BigDustinB has 15 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: u can transfer moeny like that??
dumwaldo (Observer): and you realize that this chat is going to be posted to
that thread also
tonybgrr8: but if u lose it u gotta pay him dbl
BigDustinB: haha no
dumwaldo (Observer): he will never pay me back
tonybgrr8: so ur not that confident
BigDustinB: hahaha
dumwaldo (Observer): i don't want it
dumwaldo (Observer): i don't believe he can make any money
Dealer: BigDustinB shows [Kh Ac]
Dealer: shhotss shows [Jd As]
Dealer: yoyofirst shows [7s 2s]
BigDustinB: ill pay u back 20 tommro or whatever i have left
Dealer: BigDustinB shows a pair of Kings
Dealer: shhotss shows Ace King high
Dealer: BigDustinB wins the side pot (516) with a pair of Kings
Dealer: yoyofirst shows a pair of Sevens
Dealer: BigDustinB wins the main pot (4,365) with a pair of Kings
Dealer: Hand #790176425
dumwaldo (Observer): and i am posting this on the FT forum where he was
doing some serious smack talking
Dealer: 5 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: hahahaha
Dealer: Time has expired
BigDustinB: nice
tonybgrr8: smile ur on ft forum
BigDustinB: so how do u transfer money
BigDustinB: im on there already with smack talk
BigDustinB: k see ya thnx for the money hahaha
BigDustinB: im just kidding
Dealer: BigDustinB has 15 seconds left to act
BigDustinB: wait whats ur name again i have to write it down
Dealer: Stinky 22 shows two pair, Kings and Nines
Dealer: Stinky 22 wins the pot (1,845) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Dealer: Hand #790182739
Dealer: 5 seconds left to act
dumwaldo (Observer): you can find it in the thread on the foum at any time Very Happy
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Big Slick x13x
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dumwaldo, that's great man. Can't wait to see the results of that. I do agree with the OP to an extent on the newer plays living by the books but I also don't mind because they are VERY predictable. 5 yrs of experience isn't really that much to brag about. I'm only 21 and have 15 yrs experience playing poker, started with draw, then stud, then hold'em. 11 years of which I've been playing for money. Instead of coming on a forum where there are probably better and more experienced players and talking crap, try to learn something...unless of course your already perfect, which even Phil Ivey says he makes mistakes EVERY session he plays.
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually just applied something I learned listening to Phil Gordon's audio Little Green Book. I limped utg with AA and didn't get the raise I was hoping for. I flopped an A, rainbow flop, no straight draws. Checked. The turn paired the board, but also brang a second diamond. First to act bets the min, which looked to me like he had a flush draw. Prior to reading Phil's book I would have just called, hoping he hits his flush. But this time I raised, but still gave him good odds to call, which he did. He caught his flush, and doubled me up.

It sounds like a meaningless little play, but without the raise on the turn the pot would have been smaller, so his raise on the river would have been smaller, and my all-in reraise would have been smaller. With the bigger pot I had to reraise all-in. Also, if he didn't hit his diamond on the river at least I have the extra money I raised him on the turn.

Prior to reading Phil's book I was missing opportunities to win more chips.
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bigdustinb
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I did it and its funny i gave away 10 cents to make me have 40 bucks total and i did it in like 2 hours it was fun but now u can call me i dunno a god, the phenom, the prodigy and u can have all my smack talk u want cuz its free go figure. It was fun makin me look good and provin u wrong the pic is in the next post I had to resize it it was huuuuuggggeee
Peace out dumwaldo u tried i guess
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bigdustinb
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: the all mighty screenshot Reply with quote

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