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Strasse
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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: Should I have pushed? |
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I read him for dry aces, and I was right, but figured with the other guy's money in the pot, I should push it to get it heads up.
Full Tilt Poker Game #778678825: Table Daisy - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 3:18:57 ET - 2006/07/08
Seat 1: SonnyNJ ($28.25)
Seat 2: JoJoTheHoBo ($13.20)
Seat 3: Strasse ($19.65)
Seat 4: Dilsniks ($24.75)
Seat 5: DC11GE ($38.50)
Seat 6: bkkdude ($19.15)
Seat 7: Puckertoot ($28.30)
Seat 8: kidtoledo ($35.75)
Seat 9: Meanstreak13 ($10)
Puckertoot posts the small blind of $0.10
kidtoledo posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Strasse [Jc As Qs Tc]
SonnyNJ calls $0.25
JoJoTheHoBo calls $0.25
Strasse raises to $1.35
Dilsniks folds
DC11GE folds
bkkdude folds
Puckertoot raises to $4.80
kidtoledo folds
SonnyNJ calls $4.55
JoJoTheHoBo folds
Strasse raises to $19.65, and is all in
Puckertoot raises to $28.30, and is all in
SonnyNJ folds
Puckertoot shows [4d 8c Ah Ad]
Strasse shows [Jc As Qs Tc]
Uncalled bet of $8.65 returned to Puckertoot
*** FLOP *** [7d 5d Th]
*** TURN *** [7d 5d Th] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [7d 5d Th 2h] [7c]
Puckertoot shows two pair, Aces and Sevens
Strasse shows two pair, Tens and Sevens
Puckertoot wins the pot ($42.40) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Strasse is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44.60 | Rake $2.20
Board: [7d 5d Th 2h 7c]
Seat 1: SonnyNJ folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JoJoTheHoBo folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Strasse showed [Jc As Qs Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 4: Dilsniks didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: DC11GE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: bkkdude (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Puckertoot (small blind) showed [4d 8c Ah Ad] and won ($42.40) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 8: kidtoledo (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Meanstreak13 is sitting out |
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Orzhov Scion
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Joined: 08 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know about raising all-in preflop especially if you put the guy on aces even with that hand. I might have called the reraise and seen a flop in case it was bad for you. [In this case, it was.]
Keep in mind that if he did have the aces, he WANTS it to get heads up. In a heads up situation (preflop), A-A-x-x is a slight favorite over every hand in Omaha. You gave Puckertoot exactly what he wanted.
That said, even if you did just call Puckertoot probably would have put his money in anyway on that flop with aces and a nut flush draw. You could then fold your hand. |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Orzhov Scion wrote: |
| In a heads up situation (preflop), A-A-x-x is a slight favorite over every hand in Omaha. |
This is almost true. There are conditions where AAxx is not a favorite heads up. The examples are rare, and I think the worst you can have is AAxx getting being a 49/51 dog, but it's just one of those really random useless tidbits of knowledge.
Example:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1369761
pokenum -mc 500000 -o as ah 6d 2c - js ts 9h 8h
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 2c 6d Ah 246159 49.23 253841 50.77 0 0.00 0.492
Js Ts 9h 8h 253841 50.77 246159 49.23 0 0.00 0.508
Of course, even if one ace is suited, then AAxx is a favorite over any hand. |
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Orzhov Scion
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| That may be true, but I bet that exact situation is harder to find than a three-headed blue duck with five legs. |
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GripHoldOn
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Despite the irrelevant argument that has ensued (I'm just kiddin' guys; this is a DISCUSSION forum, so discuss away!), I would say that your hand would look better going to the flop multiway. Why push and put yourself in a situation where you know you're an underdog? You made a good read, and if I were you, I would have called and gone to the flop. The idiot with aces is probably going to lead out for max on the flop, so why not see if you can spike a two pair or a big wrap and flush draw or something? |
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Orzhov Scion
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| GripHoldOn wrote: |
| The idiot with aces is probably going to lead out for max on the flop, so why not see if you can spike a two pair or a big wrap and flush draw or something? |
Well, hang on. Why is he an idiot?
If I'm reading the hand history right, Puckertoot made a reraise preflop to attempt to get it heads up. Now, I know we can argue back and forth about raising/reraising with aces in Omaha and there would be relevant points on both sides of the argument. In this case, I probably would have made the reraise too in an attempt to either win the pot right there or at least get it heads up. [NOTE: If I had stronger cards to accompany the aces, then it would depend on my read, my position, and how many people are already in the pot as to whether or not I'd call or raise.]
I don't think Puckertoot made a mistake here. I think he made a good play and got paid off for it.
Now I wasn't disagreeing with Kloaked Spirit, I just pointed out that the situation he had was rare. Granted, if I had the aces with bad cards (and no suited ace) and saw anywhere from 89TJ to KQJT double suited, I would be VERY nervous because I know that its close. |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| And also to be fair, I only brought up those rare situations to show that AAxx doesn't beat everything in Omaha headsup. However, I'd say all but the weakest of players would value a little something to go with their AA hand if they'd want to get it heads up with someone. |
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