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griffinlord
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Location: The Great Plains of South Dakota
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| jussurreal wrote: |
I'm not sure about the answer to this question. But still....I don't live near any tribal lands. How many "tribal lands" are there? The only ones I've heard of are in Oklahoma and Washington state. |
Get out a state map for where you live and look for indian reservations. These are all tribal lands....and I'm fairly certain that most, if not all, of the lower 48 have some tribal lands.
If the Indians can claim sovereignty over any land the tribe owns, all they need to do is buy some land in a major metro area and set up an internet cafe--assuming that HR 4777 does not apply to them.
If this turns out to be a legal work-around, look for a tribal internet cafe in your area. |
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griffinlord
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Location: The Great Plains of South Dakota
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There is a glimmer of hope!
I went over the opening comments of someone from the Dept. of Justice regarding 4777...mostly a lot of protecting people from themselves and stopping organized crime sorts of comments, but one of the concerns expressed on behalf of the DOJ was that "wagering on events determined primarily by chance" might provide a loophole for certain card games.
Of course this will have to be tested in court....hope for a judge that is disposed to allowing online poker until the issue is decided by the supreme court. |
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NewtsPlace
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Joined: 09 May 2006
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Location: NY
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: What happens to the winnings in our accounts? |
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I don't know about the rest of you, but if this insane bill passes in the Senate, and ISP's are forced to block the sites where we play, how can we access our winnings? If the Feds also make banks stop taking transers from NETELLER, our money is in limbo and we're not going to be able to get to it. I'm not going to close my accounts until I have to, but I joined the Poker Players Alliance to stay on top of developments. BTW, if you go to the site, Mike commissioned an economic analysis on legalizing poker in the U.S and put it in printable .pdf. It's really a good document. (For all good it'll do) I'm sending it to my Senators.
I honestly wouldn't bet against the Senate passing it though, and it's really going to tick me off. Granted, my initial on line deposits were won in live games, but it's still money I earned.
I live in NY and love it, but I'm getting sick of being 'protected' by holier than thou politians. They obviously don't know the game or understand that Poker is a sport. Cripe, I played in a live tourney last weekend with the $100.00 kitty in my bra in case we got raided. 
If I have to start driving 40 minutes to get to the poker room at Seneca Niagara Casino, I guess I will, but it sure has been convenient to just log on. Grr... the world's gone to you-know-where in a hand basket, guys. |
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Zherohour
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Joined: 25 May 2006
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Location: Cleveland
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*SIGH*
Read the fricking bill people. You can still play online poker. |
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nohandnodraw
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*SIGH*
Read the fricking bill people. You can still play online poker. |
Ah... so much would be served if people did take the time to read the legislation. I am repeatedly coming across a lot of gross exaggeration in regard to what this legislation will mean to the average player. I am not saying people should sit idly by while this legislation hashes its way through the legislative process; indeed, everyone should become more politically active when there is a cause in which they deeply believe. Do continue to support the work of the Poker Player's Alliance, get in touch with your legislators, etc.
However, please do reconsider the position that the sky is going to fall tomorrow because it isn't. It is always easy to get things passed by the House of Representatives (truly, this is not that much of a task). However, it is considerably more difficult to get something through the Senate. This legislation still has to go through a long legislative process and, even then, will probably lose a lot of momentum and probably even more weight as it continues through this process.
Not all is as it seems in regard to how this legislation (in its current state) will effectively pan out. For those that remain worried, I really would like to indicate that there are a lot of Constitutional issues that get in the way of this legislation and which will, effectively, shut it down. Regardless, as Zherohour has already pointed out, this legislation is really not going to cut off your access to online gambling nor your ability to transfer money to these sites. A lot of people focus on the ISP aspect and I would like to reiterate that this is a simple issue that can be resolved by online gaming sites with minimal inconvenience to current and future users.
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Keep_Walking
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:13 am Post subject: Relax People |
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| The U.S. Senate is a DELIBERATE body, which means they take their time to discuss and debate legislative issues that come before them. To the best of my knowledge, the online gambling legislation hasn't even been scheduled for the current senate calendar. If the Senate doesn't pick it up in this congressional cycle, the legislation essentially dies, and the whole thing would have to start all over again in the next congress (2007). |
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blog-city
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They can make the US ISP's block connections to any and all gambling sites, which is what the bill says from what I understand. Which would be something that you could not get around.....at least I don't know of any way to.
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Oh there are many ways around this with no additional software whatsoever. 
Open proxy servers would make it very easy for to surf to sites appearing to be from another country. Its how most people surf the internet from countries like China. It is also a way for you to stream videos from places that only want US traffic.
You have all the software you need already in a standard Windows box, and the keywords you need to look for in Google is "VPN open+proxy" and you'll discover a whole new world.
Also ... i can't remember who wrote that Poker was invented in US therefore all the best poker players are there! What utter nonsense. It's that sort of arrogance that makes the outside world despise America so much. Poker originated from Europe/Persia, and gain popularity in the early history of the US in and around New Orleans. But to claim you invented it, is a little off the mark. |
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griffinlord
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Also ... i can't remember who wrote that Poker was invented in US therefore all the best poker players are there! What utter nonsense. It's that sort of arrogance that makes the outside world despise America so much. Poker originated from Europe/Persia, and gain popularity in the early history of the US in and around New Orleans. But to claim you invented it, is a little off the mark. |
I'll grant you the point about arrogance, but the history of poker does seem to have it developing in/around New Orleans in the early 1800's. True it was influenced by games from other nations, but poker in its modern form is from the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker#History |
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g0dfathermezz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: ban on poker |
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| this is so stupid, millions of people play online everyday and the government is jsut pissed because they arent getting a piece of it. what a joke, cant smoke in bars anymore and i cant play online poker. anyone else see our freedoms slowly declining |
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SMAKD1981
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Joined: 16 Jul 2006
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Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: you know what sucks the most about all this? |
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if the US bans it, then canadian sites will get bigger, cause all those american folks will go there for play money, then with in 2 years Canada will follow suit with banning online poker because our goverment is lame and has to do everything the US does. I think we Canadians were better off under the British Empire, but even then... the Brits are following the US on most things too, it's just all bad. If the goverment thinks that all these players making money off of poker will bump that person into a new bracket then set a limit of how much that person can make in a year and tax the person. That's pretty simple solution.
Well anyways, I'm a native indian so eventually it's not going to affect me what so ever at all. Reason being once we get our land claims in order in Canada here we'll be opening up a couple casinos on reserves wether or not the goverment approves of it or not, andd if anyone whom is not native wins in our casinos we'll tax the hell outta them just like we've been taxed generation after generation. |
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blog-city
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: you know what sucks the most about all this? |
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Funnily enough, the UK is proving to be a guiding light in all of this.
Our government is doing something that we can be proud of.
Not only will online gambling be legal in the UK next year, but advertising for online poker and gambling was passed only this week, assuming they don't depict the advertising as financial gain.
The UK online gambling is worth £5.6bn; yes that is UK pounds. The UK Government have finally twigged that its not going away, so instead of outlawing it and forcing companies to go offshore, they are to embrace it and grab their 30% corporation tax.
Many of the big players have said they coming back to the UK shores next year when this happens. This will also have a knock on effect as the UK banks will start offering payment services instead of the high commissions the payment agencies do now.
In addition to that, we are also now getting LasVegas style super casino's with 6 licenses being granted for England and Scotland.
There is a lot of press about it over here and its a good time to be living in the UK.
Ironic the US is going completely the other way. So much for the great American dream! Freedom and liberty i believe is written somewhere isn't it? LOL ... don't make me laugh. |
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tool_mania
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: you know what sucks the most about all this? |
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if the US bans it, then canadian sites will get bigger, cause all those american folks will go there for play money, then with in 2 years Canada will follow suit with banning online poker because our goverment is lame and has to do everything the US does. I think we Canadians were better off under the British Empire, but even then... the Brits are following the US on most things too, it's just all bad. If the goverment thinks that all these players making money off of poker will bump that person into a new bracket then set a limit of how much that person can make in a year and tax the person. That's pretty simple solution.
Well anyways, I'm a native indian so eventually it's not going to affect me what so ever at all. Reason being once we get our land claims in order in Canada here we'll be opening up a couple casinos on reserves wether or not the goverment approves of it or not, andd if anyone whom is not native wins in our casinos we'll tax the hell outta them just like we've been taxed generation after generation. |
get the **** outta here.pos |
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honkythunder
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It's that sort of arrogance that makes the outside world despise America so much.
Guess what? We don't give a crap. Despise till your heart's content if you have nothing better to do with your time than ponder the arrogance of an entire population(blatent stereotyping and obvious envy) while ignoring the fact that the USA has always, is currently, and will continue to be the world leader in the most important measurable facet of any global entity - generosity.
You and the rest of the world can go on hating and we will simply continue to respond to every world natural disaster and tradgedy. We will supply manpower and massive financial support regardless of any political climate.
All we ask is that while you are looking down your nose at us - pitch in a little help too. |
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blog-city
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| You and the rest of the world can go on hating and we will simply continue to respond to every world natural disaster and tradgedy. We will supply manpower and massive financial support regardless of any political climate. |
oh bless, i think you really believe that as well.
this isn't the forum to discuss this; its a poker forum. |
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jussurreal
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LOL this guy is from SCOTLAND......where the men wear skirts. If scotland were ever attacked the USA would have to come save its pansy ass.
And you can bet your last dollar that poker was invented in Louisiana, USA. Sorry to disappoint you bud. And yes the best poker players in the world are Americans. That is a fact. Testable by looking at which country has the most WSOP wins. By the way does scotland have any?  |
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