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feihua
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Flying_Kiwi
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Jobe Jobe Jobe
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| The factories will move from China to America. |
about 15-20 years ago, b4 G.W. Bush, there came to pass a concept known as "outsourcing". Alex, altho guyz, like yourself, Jobe, and DJ Ninjah may not be old enough to remember,
WE USED TO MAKE LOTS OF STUFF IN THIS COUNTRY.
We used to make computers.
We used to make video cards, of such high quality, that you didn't hafta stick 'em in a goddamn oven for 10 minutes to work properly.
[oh, sorry... I was reminiscing about a thread in BBV4L where they've done just that].
You, see, kids, it is one thing to sub-contract the construction of shopping malls and skyscrapers and homes.
And quite another to sub-contract out customer service and tech support to India.
As recently as 15 years ago, when you called for tech support, you probably got an American on the other end of the line.
This logic of "outsourcing" jobs, and a good deal of the infrastructure of American industry, R&D, innovation, whatever, has so permeated the business schools in the US, as well as the Wall Street Journal, that the younger generation now looks on in fear and horror regarding the concept of making our own stuff. But Americans are well protected,
by strong labor laws [the common child labor code in the US was brought about because of the abuse put upon boys as young as 9 or 10 by mining companies based here, in Scranton, PA] and legions of greedy worker's comp lawyers.
Alex, Jobe, DJ, Brandon... they're called REAL JOBS.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT CALLING U KIDS LAZY. Most of you have proven your work ethic in online poker [mebbe even Jobe, I'm not sure].
We didn't have graphing calculators, 6-axis robots, or cordless screwdrivers when i was your age. I wish to hell we did.
"...and you may ask yourself,
HOW DO I WORK THIS???" : David Byrne
Now, u can google it. Back then, we couldn't.
And Feihua's right, guyz.
We ain't gonna end up with whip marks on our backs.
Even if it does get pinky all worked up. |
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I make more money per year in my 20s than you've made in a year of your entire life. So that's funny. |
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chillbot
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When did you turn into jongreenway? Even if he did call you lazy. |
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Jobe Jobe Jobe
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Flying_Kiwi
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feihua
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I have no idea what you're talking about, but I make more money per year in my 20s than you've made in a year of your entire life. So that's funny. |
Then buy a better brain. |
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feihua
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Japan pushes for East Asia bloc
By Jason Szep and Yoko Nishikawa Jason Szep And Yoko Nishikawa – Sat Oct 24, 9:54 am ET
HUA HIN, Thailand (Reuters) – Japan's prime minister backed a U.S. role for a proposed EU-style Asian community on Saturday, telling Southeast Asian leaders Tokyo's alliance with Washington was at the heart of its diplomacy.
Making a case for an East Asian Community at a summit of Asian leaders in Thailand, Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama said there should be some U.S. involvement in the bloc, which faces stiff obstacles including Japan's historic rivalry with China.
It was unclear how a U.S. role would work. But the comment may help allay concern in some countries that such a body would ultimately fail by shutting out the world's biggest economy.
Hatoyama may also be trying to defuse U.S.-Japan tension over the long-planned reorganization of the American military presence in Japan, the first big test of ties between Washington and the new Japanese government.
"Japan places the U.S.-Japan alliance at the foundation of its diplomacy," Hatoyama said at the meeting, according to a Japanese government spokesman.
"I would like to firmly promote regional cooperation in East Asia with a long-term vision of forming an East Asian Community." Several Southeast Asian leaders expressed support for the bloc, but none spoke of a U.S. role at the meetings.
The talks are part of a three-day leaders' summit which got off to a rancorous start on Friday, marred by a diplomatic spat between Thailand and neighbor Cambodia, a trade feud over Filipino rice and a few no-shows in the 10-member Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN).
China had a very different message at the meetings, signaling possible trouble ahead for Hatoyama. While he promoted a new community, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao focused on the current one, delivering what Chinese state media described as a six-point proposal for strengthening links with ASEAN.
This included developing a recently signed China-ASEAN free trade pact and accelerating regional infrastructure construction.
MYANMAR, NORTH KOREA
An ASEAN statement summing up talks within its own members urged its most recalcitrant state, Myanmar, to ensure elections next year are free and fair, though it stopped short of seeking the release of detained pro-democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi.
That came a day after ASEAN launched a human rights commission as part of a plan to build an economic and political community by 2015, and drew a scathing rebuke from rights activists who said it was toothless and lacked independence.
The region's leaders also called on North Korea to return to six-way nuclear disarmament talks.
The summit in the resort town of Hua Hin gave Asia's economic titans, China and Japan, a chance to jockey for influence in Southeast Asia, a region of 570 million people with a combined $1.1 trillion economy, as it pulls out of recession.
Japan's new government sees its influence bound to the East Asian Community, an idea inspired by the European Union that would account for nearly a quarter of global economic output.
It would encompass Japan, China, South Korea, India, Australia and New Zealand, along with ASEAN countries.
After meetings with China, Japan and South Korea, ASEAN holds talks on Sunday with India, Australia and New Zealand.
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on Sunday will push another idea for a new, separate forum of Asia-Pacific nations to respond to regional crises. His idea includes the United States.
Washington has stepped up Asian diplomacy under the Obama administration and fears missing out on such groupings, especially as Japan considers redefining its U.S. security alliance, and Beijing expands its diplomatic and trade presence.
Exactly how Washington would participate is uncertain.
Asked if Washington would be a member of the Community, a Japanese government official told reporters: "It remains unclear. We have to see how multilateral meetings will turn out today."
The proposal wasn't elaborated upon, said Mari Elka Pangestu, trade minister of Indonesia, Southeast Asia's biggest economy. "How the U.S. participates -- because the U.S. is one of our dialogue partners -- we need to think through."
China has been coy about the idea while rapidly expanding ties across Southeast Asia -- from building sleek new government offices in Cambodia to working closely with reclusive Myanmar.
"China wants to establish healthy relations with the new government in Japan, so it is not going to object to discussing this idea," said Shi Yinhong, a regional security professor at Beijing's Renmin University.
"But everybody understands the idea of an East Asia Community is extremely far off," he added.
Host Thailand deployed about 18,000 security personnel backed by military gunships, determined to avoid a rerun of mishaps at past summits. |
Sources say the Asian Economic Union coin will be pachinko ball shaped in pink gold plated aluminum and branded by Sanrio. China has released information that the coin will be used as ammunition. Gunpowder will be outsourced by both China and Japan to Laos. |
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spike420211
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Meanwhile, regarding recent comments regarding the subject of annexation:
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Japan pushes for East Asia bloc
By Jason Szep and Yoko Nishikawa Jason Szep And Yoko Nishikawa – Sat Oct 24, 9:54 am ET
HUA HIN, Thailand (Reuters) – Japan's prime minister backed a U.S. role for a proposed EU-style Asian community on Saturday, telling Southeast Asian leaders Tokyo's alliance with Washington was at the heart of its diplomacy.
Making a case for an East Asian Community at a summit of Asian leaders in Thailand, Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama said there should be some U.S. involvement in the bloc, which faces stiff obstacles including Japan's historic rivalry with China.
It was unclear how a U.S. role would work. But the comment may help allay concern in some countries that such a body would ultimately fail by shutting out the world's biggest economy.
Hatoyama may also be trying to defuse U.S.-Japan tension over the long-planned reorganization of the American military presence in Japan, the first big test of ties between Washington and the new Japanese government.
Oh goody. Mach 3 Japanese Zeros.
"Japan places the U.S.-Japan alliance at the foundation of its diplomacy," Hatoyama said at the meeting, according to a Japanese government spokesman.
"I would like to firmly promote regional cooperation in East Asia with a long-term vision of forming an East Asian Community." Several Southeast Asian leaders expressed support for the bloc, but none spoke of a U.S. role at the meetings.
The talks are part of a three-day leaders' summit which got off to a rancorous start on Friday, marred by a diplomatic spat between Thailand and neighbor Cambodia, a trade feud over Filipino rice
FACT: before Agent Orange hit Vietnam, Vietnam had enough arable land to food 90% of asia.
I find it hard to believe, from those I know in the filipino community back in Cali, that the Philippines has enough rice available for export.
and a few no-shows in the 10-member Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN).
China had a very different message at the meetings, signaling possible trouble ahead for Hatoyama. While he promoted a new community, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao focused on the current one, delivering what Chinese state media described as a six-point proposal for strengthening links with ASEAN.
Translation:
We wanna own ur a$$, like we own teh water rights to Mt. Everest and all the watersheds in Tibet. You may not ever have liked our glorious chairman's politics, but you guyz gotta admit, Mao was a friggin genius.
This included developing a recently signed China-ASEAN free trade pact and accelerating regional infrastructure construction.
MYANMAR, NORTH KOREA
An ASEAN statement summing up talks within its own members urged its most recalcitrant state, Myanmar, to ensure elections next year are free and fair, though it stopped short of seeking the release of detained pro-democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi.
Has anyone checked 2 see if Myanmar really does have any friggin' oil?
That came a day after ASEAN launched a human rights commission as part of a plan to build an economic and political community by 2015, and drew a scathing rebuke from rights activists who said it was toothless and lacked independence.
The region's leaders also called on North Korea to return to six-way nuclear disarmament talks.
Tell me something, feihua. Why would a huge country like China want to put up with a tiny rogue nation, damn near totally sealed off and in posession of nukes, run by a lunatic that makes their own gov't. look like Finland?
The summit in the resort town of Hua Hin gave Asia's economic titans, China and Japan, a chance to jockey for influence in Southeast Asia, a region of 570 million people with a combined $1.1 trillion economy, as it pulls out of recession.
Japan's new government sees its influence bound to the East Asian Community, an idea inspired by the European Union that would account for nearly a quarter of global economic output.
It would encompass Japan, China, South Korea, India, Australia and New Zealand, along with ASEAN countries.
After meetings with China, Japan and South Korea, ASEAN holds talks on Sunday with India, Australia and New Zealand.
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on Sunday will push another idea for a new, separate forum of Asia-Pacific nations to respond to regional crises. His idea includes the United States.
Washington has stepped up Asian diplomacy under the Obama administration and fears missing out on such groupings, especially as Japan considers redefining its U.S. security alliance, and Beijing expands its diplomatic and trade presence.
I take it this means they want 2 shut down Yokota and Okinawa.
Exactly how Washington would participate is uncertain.
copper colored pachinko balls with Abe's pic on em.
Asked if Washington would be a member of the Community, a Japanese government official told reporters: "It remains unclear. We have to see how multilateral meetings will turn out today."
yes, even the Japanese love 2 pad the f*** outta their travel vouchers.
The proposal wasn't elaborated upon, said Mari Elka Pangestu, trade minister of Indonesia, Southeast Asia's biggest economy. "How the U.S. participates -- because the U.S. is one of our dialogue partners -- we need to think through."
Translation:
We need more armamentz for our part in the Jihad.
China has been coy about the idea while rapidly expanding ties across Southeast Asia -- from building sleek new government offices in Cambodia to working closely with reclusive Myanmar.
"China wants to establish healthy relations with the new government in Japan, so it is not going to object to discussing this idea," said Shi Yinhong, a regional security professor at Beijing's Renmin University.
"But everybody understands the idea of an East Asia Community is extremely far off," he added.
Host Thailand deployed about 18,000 security personnel backed by military gunships, and lots of hookers, determined to avoid a rerun of mishaps at past summits. |
Sources say the Asian Economic Union coin will be pachinko ball shaped in pink gold plated aluminum and branded by Sanrio.
Isn't the Yakuza gonna be pissed about counterfeit pachinko balls floating
all over asia? 
China has released information that the coin will be used as ammunition.
Rapid payment policy imho. This also means they're going into debit cards in a big way obv.
Gunpowder will be outsourced by both China and Japan to Laos. |
This will all, someday, be known as
The Pacific Rim Job. |
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spike420211
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[quote"Jobe Jobe Jobe"]I have no idea what you're talking about, but I make more money per year in my 20s than you've made in a year of your entire life. So that's funny.[/quote]
Considering I peaked at about 45k$ a year as a technician, you may very well be right. Ima assume they've got you in the Mergers and Acquisitions department.
Tell ya what.
Sometime, long before u tire of suking Wall Street's dik, or they finally consider u expendable and clean out your desk, I would seriously take some of those ducats and consider obtaining the following:
>Platinum
>Silver
>loose diamonds
>a US passport [if u don't already]
>a Swiss bank account
>a .45 and some ammo
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| I don't know what that means, but I still suck at poker. |
I think in your absence, u may not have met some of our newer friends,
such as Rhys Pharlow, and some wannabe golf pro, i ferget his screen name.
After meeting those guys, I feel there may still be hope for you. |
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feihua
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| feihua wrote: |
Meanwhile, regarding recent comments regarding the subject of annexation:
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Japan pushes for East Asia bloc
By Jason Szep and Yoko Nishikawa Jason Szep And Yoko Nishikawa – Sat Oct 24, 9:54 am ET
HUA HIN, Thailand (Reuters) – Japan's prime minister backed a U.S. role for a proposed EU-style Asian community on Saturday, telling Southeast Asian leaders Tokyo's alliance with Washington was at the heart of its diplomacy.
Making a case for an East Asian Community at a summit of Asian leaders in Thailand, Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama said there should be some U.S. involvement in the bloc, which faces stiff obstacles including Japan's historic rivalry with China.
It was unclear how a U.S. role would work. But the comment may help allay concern in some countries that such a body would ultimately fail by shutting out the world's biggest economy.
Hatoyama may also be trying to defuse U.S.-Japan tension over the long-planned reorganization of the American military presence in Japan, the first big test of ties between Washington and the new Japanese government.
Oh goody. Mach 3 Japanese Zeros.
Yeah, indeed. There is some kind of Mitsubishi thang going on here. Let's refresh with the MacArthur thang: Japan can build anything as long as the parts cannot be used in war. Out with the zeros and in with the Diamante.
About seven years ago, a CIA spook told me to grab Mitsubishi stock, and I have seen what has taken place so far. The level jump is back into aeronautics, of course, and this is, of course, what trumps Airbus on any Sunday.
Although the matter is now left up to the Japanese solely, some feel it is still in Uncle Sam's hands. Others feel it is part of the non-existent Japanese pacifist constitution. Mitsubishi can't do it without the US, the US cannot do it without Japan. Both are aware they lose to Airbus alone. Both are aware they work together but their respective citizenry is caught up in the other bullsh!t that has been fed them.
And where is the best place to make these Mach 3 Zeros?
Australia.
Asian Economic Union, baby. That's what I am talking about.
"Japan places the U.S.-Japan alliance at the foundation of its diplomacy," Hatoyama said at the meeting, according to a Japanese government spokesman.
"I would like to firmly promote regional cooperation in East Asia with a long-term vision of forming an East Asian Community." Several Southeast Asian leaders expressed support for the bloc, but none spoke of a U.S. role at the meetings.
The talks are part of a three-day leaders' summit which got off to a rancorous start on Friday, marred by a diplomatic spat between Thailand and neighbor Cambodia, a trade feud over Filipino rice
FACT: before Agent Orange hit Vietnam, Vietnam had enough arable land to food 90% of asia.
I find it hard to believe, from those I know in the filipino community back in Cali, that the Philippines has enough rice available for export.
Unrelated somewhat related, okay, related like Jerry Lee Lewis could get married to his cousin related, factoid: Texas produces so much damned rice that almost all of it is exported to where? Iran/Iraq. Perhaps it is not so much that the Philippines has enough to export as they have Something to export. Manila Dog......Manila Dog.......
and a few no-shows in the 10-member Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN).
China had a very different message at the meetings, signaling possible trouble ahead for Hatoyama. While he promoted a new community, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao focused on the current one, delivering what Chinese state media described as a six-point proposal for strengthening links with ASEAN.
Translation:
We wanna own ur a$$, like we own teh water rights to Mt. Everest and all the watersheds in Tibet. You may not ever have liked our glorious chairman's politics, but you guyz gotta admit, Mao was a friggin genius.
I do not believe that Hatoyama (Japanese for Pigeon Mountain) has made any overtures towards Taiwan. Indications he is in the different direction. If there is trouble ahead for Hatoyama, it is because he is too left, too socialist and an inappropriate foil for the PRC. The PRC squawking is for their domestic agenda, not because they are rufflin' feathers at Japan. We shall see if Hatoyama visits the Yasukuni shrine because that is the end all to allabouts of the wheretoall when it comes to the PRC, Japan and the Koreas. Korea and China NEED the PM of Japan to visit the Yasukuni shrine just to keep the citizenry riled up and on their side.
This included developing a recently signed China-ASEAN free trade pact and accelerating regional infrastructure construction.
MYANMAR, NORTH KOREA
An ASEAN statement summing up talks within its own members urged its most recalcitrant state, Myanmar, to ensure elections next year are free and fair, though it stopped short of seeking the release of detained pro-democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi.
Has anyone checked 2 see if Myanmar really does have any friggin' oil?
It is the stuff they scrape off their face after eating French fries. Of course, I am only talking about the leaders of the military.
That came a day after ASEAN launched a human rights commission as part of a plan to build an economic and political community by 2015, and drew a scathing rebuke from rights activists who said it was toothless and lacked independence.
The region's leaders also called on North Korea to return to six-way nuclear disarmament talks.
Tell me something, feihua. Why would a huge country like China want to put up with a tiny rogue nation, damn near totally sealed off and in posession of nukes, run by a lunatic that makes their own gov't. look like Finland?
I don't think they do, to be honest. But for communist nations, it is like a freebie when no one else wants to, either. Kind of like....Libya. Myanmar does have a very good heroin trade, and has had one for quite some time. The junta was quite outspoken when they said they would stop it at any time with the proper reimbursement from Washington. While Washington could not admit to such a thing, and it made it more difficult to arrange such a thing following Iran and Contra-gate, the window to China was left open as a supporter of something or other......kind of a enemy of my enemy is a friend to your mother who I would love to fnck. When it is boiled down, Myanmar and Thailand don't exactly get along and this is a window of some sort to the PRC. Because Thailand is the USA's Asian Chile, it makes sense to side with Myanmar.
The summit in the resort town of Hua Hin gave Asia's economic titans, China and Japan, a chance to jockey for influence in Southeast Asia, a region of 570 million people with a combined $1.1 trillion economy, as it pulls out of recession.
Japan's new government sees its influence bound to the East Asian Community, an idea inspired by the European Union that would account for nearly a quarter of global economic output.
It would encompass Japan, China, South Korea, India, Australia and New Zealand, along with ASEAN countries.
After meetings with China, Japan and South Korea, ASEAN holds talks on Sunday with India, Australia and New Zealand.
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on Sunday will push another idea for a new, separate forum of Asia-Pacific nations to respond to regional crises. His idea includes the United States.
Washington has stepped up Asian diplomacy under the Obama administration and fears missing out on such groupings, especially as Japan considers redefining its U.S. security alliance, and Beijing expands its diplomatic and trade presence.
I take it this means they want 2 shut down Yokota and Okinawa.
Shutting down Yokota gives Japan the extra needed airfield that compliments and outdoes both Narita and Haneda. Japan wants influence there, but not to shut it down to incoming flights. Japan doesn't want Okinawa shut down as much as it needs Okinawans to shut up. Only Okinawans want the US out of Okinawa, but the kicker is that if the Okinawans can get the US out of Okinawa, the Okinawans will go to get Japan out of Okinawa as a follow-up.
Stated before, I believe that the only reason Japan wants the islands around Sakhalin is to move the US bases there. This would be suitable to the US. However, with US missile defense now deployed across Japan, the idea is for the US to milk their positioning for as long as possible and then say "meh" if it actually has to happen.
It can only happen....how? Go back to Mach 3 Zero talk.
Let Mitsubishi build weapons of war and the US can leave. But only if Mitsubishi is allowed to do so.
Exactly how Washington would participate is uncertain.
copper colored pachinko balls with Abe's pic on em.
I appreciate your French perspective on things. Small ball. Small..pachinko....balla.
Asked if Washington would be a member of the Community, a Japanese government official told reporters: "It remains unclear. We have to see how multilateral meetings will turn out today."
yes, even the Japanese love 2 pad the f*** outta their travel vouchers.
The proposal wasn't elaborated upon, said Mari Elka Pangestu, trade minister of Indonesia, Southeast Asia's biggest economy. "How the U.S. participates -- because the U.S. is one of our dialogue partners -- we need to think through."
Translation:
We need more armamentz for our part in the Jihad.
China has been coy about the idea while rapidly expanding ties across Southeast Asia -- from building sleek new government offices in Cambodia to working closely with reclusive Myanmar.
"China wants to establish healthy relations with the new government in Japan, so it is not going to object to discussing this idea," said Shi Yinhong, a regional security professor at Beijing's Renmin University.
"But everybody understands the idea of an East Asia Community is extremely far off," he added.
Host Thailand deployed about 18,000 security personnel backed by military gunships, and lots of hookers, determined to avoid a rerun of mishaps at past summits. |
Sources say the Asian Economic Union coin will be pachinko ball shaped in pink gold plated aluminum and branded by Sanrio.
Isn't the Yakuza gonna be pissed about counterfeit pachinko balls floating
all over asia?
Yakuza.........I have Yakuza running all around the neighborhood......in their pajamas and punch perm hairdos and their passe Louis Vuiton wallets.....I think these guys are back to just backsetting odometers.
China has released information that the coin will be used as ammunition.
Rapid payment policy imho. This also means they're going into debit cards in a big way obv.
Gunpowder will be outsourced by both China and Japan to Laos. |
This will all, someday, be known as
The Pacific Rim Job. |
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missjugsalot
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The original intent of this thread was to make fun of Obama, and to call attention to what a disaster he would be as a president. Some of those here will never admit it, but I was/am 100% correct.
I said once that having a Marxist president, and a liberal democrat dominated Congress, was a threat to the republic. Our resident socialist leech, feihua, mocked me, and offered to bet his BR(thats like 20 bucks) that the republic would be fine. These socialist elites are currently in the process of shoving their fascist takeover of our health care system down our throats, against the will of the people. A majority of Americans have made it quite clear they dont want them to take it over, yet they are attempting to do it anyway. In a representative republic, the elected officials work for us, they do our bidding, yet they are currently ignoring us, and attempting to force us to do theirs. Therefore, if they pass this 1500 page debacle, it is my assertion that it will mark the end of the republic as founded, and the beginning of a "Brave New America," where bureaucrats decide what is good for us, and who gets what, when, where and why.
Obama administration officials have made it quite clear, they are fans of Mao tse Tung(winner of the 20th century genocide contest, coming in at 70 million) and they agree with him that "political power comes at the barrel of a gun." Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
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spike420211
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old news, i know:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
the last paragraph in this article:
"Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq."
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the last paragraph in this article:
"Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq."
weapons of mass destruction my a$$.[/quote]
All Im going to say is that everyone's entitled to their own opinion in regards to the war in Iraq. However, I will ask you to realize that the very idea of you having your own opinion, and speaking out in defense of that opinion, is something that, until OIF, the majority of the people in Iraq couldn't do for decades... Many still dont, they're used to the old ways, when, limbs were severed, woman/daughters were plucked for "Royal purpose", and multitudes of lives were ended en masse due to opposing "opinions/beliefs".
I'm assuming, by your signature, that you are implying America and the entire coalition entered Iraq via false reports, misleading evidence, and under a veil of smoke with fingers pointing one way, but the true plan calling for an alternate, most likley that you are assuming oil..?
For anyone to say, today, that it was a mistake to enter Iraq is, atLEAST, feutile in theory, and fruitless in action. The days of scrutinizing the reasoning behind/for involvment, entry plan, and initial course of action, are, for now, behind us...put up on a shelf, if u will...The general public's main focus now should be "Ok, no changin' it now, we're in country, boots on ground... Let's get behind the troops, and finish this war, these wars!
To withdraw troops now would be a blunder the likes of which most cannot even comprehend.
Let it be known, Human kind is still operating off of the same fear, hate, love, jealousy, greed, and compassion as it has for centuries... Of all the advances in technology, culture, language, and religion... We haven't one new emotion. That said, had we not gone into Iraq, and were boy-cotted crude oil, our gasoline rocketed to $12.00 ,and higher, a gallon, you would be ok with that, I assume...?? Not I!
Meaning, I agree with you, oil was a priority in this war, however not the main focus, as many claim. Our main focus is the regeneation of a nation, the build up of their infastructure, to include their oil industry, thus developing a new, strong, ally in the middle east. The middle east, being center stage for much of the worlds affairs for years to come.
IM GLAD WE WENT INTO IRAQ, WE LIBERATED AN OPRESSED PEOPLE, WE ELIMINATED A DESPOT, AND SECURED, ARE SECURING, A LARGE PIECE OF THE WORLDS ENERGY PUZZLE.
This is my point of view, Im not downing yours, Im simply disagreeing.
In regards to original topic, I understand this was supposed to be about Obama, my apologies in going slightly off topic.
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Flying_Kiwi
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Politicians blamed the security forces on Tuesday for Iraq's bloodiest bombing in two years, and an al Qaeda-linked group claimed responsibility for the attack in which 155 people were killed.
Two high-profile attacks in the last two months have raised doubts about the ability of Iraq's nascent security apparatus to ensure the nation's safety after U.S. soldiers pulled out of major cities ahead of a full withdrawal in 2011. |
But hey... at least they're free now. Free to get blown up. |
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