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RunnerJohn · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Sharkscopes Says I'm a Fish

Sharkscopes says I'm now officially a fish. That kind of hurts my feelings, but I think I'll get over it. I had a pretty good tournament (9-player SNG) this morning, and there is one early hand I'm kind of proud of. I believe the biggest problem I have with my game is that I get too happy with a good hand preflop and can't lay it down, especially if I've raised the pot. I think I'm getting that under control, though, and I expect to start winning more because of it.

This morning I was dealt 99 under the gun. BB was 40. Since I was UTG, I bet out big, 240, hoping to eliminate all except maybe one caller. Well, one guy raised to 440 and made me start thinking. Then another guy pushed all in with 1180. A couple of weeks ago I would have gotten arrogant and made that call. Today I'm a little smarter and I laid the 9s down. Good thing, because I was third best hand. I would have been done and on to the next tournament. Instead, I patiently waited for my hands and eventually won the the whole thing. I might catch on to this game, yet.

I won the last tournament I played yesterday and the only one I've played today. If I win one more, my form will be "hot" on sharkcopes. Hmm. Hot fish. I could live with that...

Here's the hand:

Full Tilt Poker Game #6358715911: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (48374511), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:40:49 ET - 2008/05/10
Seat 1: Takovich (1,485)
Seat 2: nazario81 (1,690)
Seat 3: pallo70 (1,290)
Seat 4: Wollytownmom (1,455)
Seat 5: teddy2time (1,880)
Seat 6: 4tLuv (1,180)
Seat 7: mareggiata (1,400)
Seat 8: ermanorbay (1,650)
Seat 9: RunnerJohn (1,470)
mareggiata posts the small blind of 20
ermanorbay posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RunnerJohn [9s 9c]
RunnerJohn raises to 240
Takovich folds
nazario81 folds
pallo70 raises to 440
Wollytownmom folds
teddy2time folds
4tLuv raises to 1,180, and is all in
mareggiata folds
nazario81 is feeling angry
ermanorbay folds
RunnerJohn folds
pallo70 calls 740
4tLuv shows [Kh Kd]
pallo70 shows [Ah Qd]
*** FLOP *** [7c Th 4h]
*** TURN *** [7c Th 4h] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [7c Th 4h 7d] [As]
4tLuv shows two pair, Kings and Sevens
pallo70 shows two pair, Aces and Sevens
pallo70 wins the pot (2,660) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
4tLuv stands up
The blinds are now 25/50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,660 | Rake 0
Board: [7c Th 4h 7d As]
Seat 1: Takovich didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: nazario81 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: pallo70 showed [Ah Qd] and won (2,660) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 4: Wollytownmom didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: teddy2time didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: 4tLuv (button) showed [Kh Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 7: mareggiata (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: ermanorbay (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: RunnerJohn folded before the Flop

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

This might hurt your feelings too, but based on that hand you're so proud of sharkscope is right.

HuJwang · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:

Yeah, huge raises like that are not a good idea. 120 is fine. And I hate to burst your bubble but if you're "proud" of that laydown, it really shows how much of a beginner you are because that is a very easy fold.

I'm not saying you're stupid or anything because everyone has trouble folding a pair when they are new to hold'em. But hopefully you can understand why SharkScope calls you a fish. Maybe buy a book like Ed Miller's "Getting Started In Hold'em" to get you on the right track.

daithijjj · Straight Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 108

something funny happened to me at a cash table............this guy says to me,........i just looked at you on officialpokerrankings and sharkscope and your not a very good player........you only play 1 and 2 dollar sit and gos......................i simply replied...take my money then...........after i took his money i told him i never play sit and gos, i only play cash tables, but my 12 year old plays s&gs with my account.......he was Mad

...i was

bluestone10 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:01 am Post subject:

lol at 240 UTG and you had second best Hand

rockycatt · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Sharkscopes Says I'm a Fish

cloud_strife007 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject:

Personally I wish Sharkscope said I was a fish. I'm not great, but I do have a positive ROI, which is more than most at the $2 level can say. Anyway, if sharkscope says your a fish but you arn't (and i'm not saying you arn't...not saying you are either) then your opponents will underestimate you which will give you an edge. The more mis-information out there about me, the better.

rockycatt · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject:

cloud_strife007 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

Does sharkscope even track stats like the likelyhood of a fold on the river? If it does I don't know how. I think your thinking of the programs you can download that track actual hand history, which sharkscope doesn't do(as far as i know).

rockycatt · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:52 am Post subject:

alex j beeson · Message Board Junkie Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 1255

OP, when UTG with Pocket 9's it it better to limp or small raise. Anyone who calls your raise is going to have you dominated most times.

Not to mention any flop with over cards is going to be trouble to your little pocket 9's and you will have to act before them most times.

Now it your on the button and facing no raises-or especially no callers- before you then your pocket 9's have a bit more value. Even then the blinds could be waking up to a monster.

GL on the felts

And if the fish thing bugs you on Sharkscope, then go there and opt out.
Peace

JDizzzle72 · Royal Flush Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 528

Not trying to attack you or anything RC, but are you trying to say that SS is for fish? I find it useful, at least entertaining ahha, to know someone's ROI. Now, I don't use it to put people down or anything of that sort, but it is interesting when someone relentlessesly talks down on the table and you find them to have a -20% ROI.

And although there it is possible a -ROI could simply be the effect of a learning curve, I don't think my ROI on SS has ever been below -5% and I'm far from a great poker player, so I get a little hint at someone's level of play when they sport a -15% ROI

Abufznuf · Three of a Kind Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 79

rockycatt · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject:

ManilaDog · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject:

and as it has been proclaimed ,

so shall it be.

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