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2HoldOr2Fold
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 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: top pair, paired board |
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| I'm a little uncertain how to go about this situation. Lets say I've got AQ and the board comes Q77. If you're first to act, what do you do against 1,2 or 3 loose opponents? |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| While this situation is way too general to give an in depth answer I guess I can give you an idea of how I'd generally feel about it. I'd be very happy with my hand unless one of my opponents gave me a reason not to be. Most people have a hard time giving anyone credit for having a hand on a board like that, so you'll get looked up by a ton of hands you're ahead of even in a 4-way pot. The most common hands you'll be up against after betting that flop and getting one caller will be pairs between the Q and the 7 an worse queens. In a HU pot I'd very often be happy to get it in after hitting a flop like that, but as the number of players in the pot increases I'm less likely to be excited about getting all my money into the pot. |
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2HoldOr2Fold
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks. About it being a general situation I was hoping you guys could fill in the holes by explaining what you'd do in variations of this flop. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| 2HoldOr2Fold wrote: |
| Thanks. About it being a general situation I was hoping you guys could fill in the holes by explaining what you'd do in variations of this flop. |
Well, the problem with that is that there are just sooo many possible variations of different opponents, actions and turn/river cards. I think you'll be better off posting a more detailed hand history and/or hypothetical scenario that you're uncomfortable with. |
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2HoldOr2Fold
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| At what point could you decide that someone has a 7? Givin these are loose players and some would call a pf raise with A7s, A7o, even 72, is it profitable to commit on the flop? Man, .05/.10 sure teaches you how to beat all kinds of players. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Meh, it's hard for me to say. Partially it depends on whatever hands you've seen your opponents play and partially it depends on timing/betsizing and stuff. Generally though, if two or more opponents called flop and there's a ton of action on the turn a Q will rarely be good, for example. While they call PF raises with a quite a few sevens, they also do it with a ton of queens and PPs that will like the flop as well. In addition you'll get called by no pair no draw fairly frequently on these types of flops in HU pots, along with flush draws if the board is twotone. |
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DrAndrian
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| Were you the preflop raiser? If so, I'd put in a standard continuation bet to see where I stand. If you get a few callers you're probably beat, and can check/fold the turn. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Were you the preflop raiser? If so, I'd put in a standard continuation bet to see where I stand. If you get a few callers you're probably beat, and can check/fold the turn. |
lol this is so bad i don't even know where to begin |
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2HoldOr2Fold
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Were you the preflop raiser? If so, I'd put in a standard continuation bet to see where I stand. If you get a few callers you're probably beat, and can check/fold the turn. |
lol this is so bad i don't even know where to begin |
Why? Is it too bad of a situation to commit anything whatsoever to? |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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No it's bad because betting top pair and then just folding the turn because someone called would be really:
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Riddim
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 2HoldOr2Fold wrote: |
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| Were you the preflop raiser? If so, I'd put in a standard continuation bet to see where I stand. If you get a few callers you're probably beat, and can check/fold the turn. |
lol this is so bad i don't even know where to begin |
Why? Is it too bad of a situation to commit anything whatsoever to? |
It's bad to assume that you're beat just because you get a couple of callers on a flop like that when people will be calling with so many worse hands. It's also bad to c-bet into multiple players just to "see where you stand". |
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