Online Poker Forum - Limping On the Button With A Monster?

lyak · Banned Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Posts: 35

I have a question: If you have a monster hand, say KK, on the button, and there are no raises, should you limp? I would not limp with any more than 3 players seeing the flop, but say there is only 1 caller before it gets around to you... is it smart to limp hoping that maybe a raise from the small or big blind is put in or hoping that one person hits their 10 on the flop, for instance, setting up a raise, since you would be last to act? I was watching Poker After Dark last night, and my favorite player Phil Hellmuth (please no bashing, lol) limped on the button with KK, was raised, and then he reraised and won a monster pot.

ohsnapzbrah · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject:

It all depends on playing style, as I think the answer to this question varies from person to person. Frankly, I NEVER limp in any position with any PP QQ or higher. It is a terrible idea to give the BB and SB a chance to catch up. Most of the time, the blinds will not have a hand that could call a raise, but rather have two random cards. For instance, let's say everyone folds to you and you're on the button with KK and flat. SB limps, BB checks. Can't feel too comfortable, especially if an Ace hits the flop.

Kappa-KoReal · Straight Joined: 27 Aug 2007 Posts: 125

No, No, No, No........ AT least not most of the time....

1st of all..... I believe there is no such thing as a "monster" preflop. Even AA isn't a "monster"

2nd.... You always raise preflop with KK, AA, AK.... because you rather not play at all than to play against drawing hands like J 10 suited..... low pockets.... or things like that..... You want to limit the hands you're playing against ONLY to hands worthy of a call...

I saw what you saw last night. And its actually a great exacmple of why you actually SHOULD raise.... Helmuth just got lucky hitting his 3rd K..... But what if he didnt?..... the other dude would have had a full house with his 5 2 and there would be no way of putting him on it.....

Basically man.... when you limp with KK or AA and you see a flop ..... your opponet can have ANY TWO CARDS.... Its really hard to know if he hit two pair.... if his has flush or straight possibilities..... did he hit his 3rd 2.....

You want to filter all the garbage out and be going up agaist hands like AQ, AK, QQ, JJ, ect..... if you ran into AA then thats poker.

People get SO upset when they feel like they wasted a hand.... trust me.... its not as bad as busting because you let some guy catch something silly

deuce_wins · Full House Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 201

Limping is for losing... never limp, make them pay to catch up or make them fold and take the money on the table.

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 5095

completely dependent on table dynamics and your image, as with everything in poker. can it work? yep. will it work for most? nope.

lyak · Banned Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Posts: 35

Ok, cool, thanks guys... I agree... I always do what you guys have said, I just never saw a move like Hellmuth made and it just got me thinking.

lyak · Banned Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Posts: 35

I was surprised by the move because everything you guys said could happen, which would be bad, but not to mention the fact that with a raise on the button, a lot of people may put you on a marginal hand with position, hence the raise, meaning they might be completely blindsided by such a big hand.

Kappa-KoReal · Straight Joined: 27 Aug 2007 Posts: 125

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 5095

if you never limp, dont do it with KK OTB

nekotec · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject:

it depends on your post flop play,
thats prob why phil hellmuth can justify a limp on the button

personally, i always raise with any big pocket pair cause i just kick myself if i get beat for not raising

Blackray · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject:

CasusBelli15 · Pair Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 30

Answer changes depending on the context, we only get to see a slice of the action hands on TV. These guys have played each-other for countless hands and hours.

Check out the academy videos on fulltilt. They explain position, and the raise option far better than I can over a forum post.

Check out different sources too, you already have (and will get) different answers.

Most important of all, try both options in games and see which option works when, yes you will make mistakes as I do but the learning process will improve your game in the long term.

We learn best by doing and evaluating our experience, which decisions we make well and which decisions could have made better.

GL on the tables

cubbies760 · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject:

Limping OTB is fine if you're up against one of the blinds who doesn't want you seeing a cheap flop, but I'd be limping with the intentions of re-raising PF.

PJs Ronin · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject:

Say after me:

Ohhhmmmmmmmm
Never limp with a monster.

Here's a prime example why:

$5 x 45 SnG, about half way thu. UTG (villain) limps, others fold, hero (MP) with QdJd calls, rest fold.
Flop comes AdKdKc... villain check, hero checks.
Turn comes 9c... villain checks, hero checks
River comes 10d... villian checks, hero bets about 5xBB, SB folds, villain shoves all in, hero calls.

Villain shows AA for Aces full of kings, hero shows royal flush.

Villain proceeds to question whether hero's parents were legally married when he was born. Hero falls on floor laffing.

Never limp with a monster.

ramsfan9913 · Pair Joined: 05 Jul 2009 Posts: 29

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