Online Poker Forum - KGC...

JustPooOnDaFlo · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: KGC...

Hi I live in ontario and I recently took a trip to quebec. I was in montreal so I figured lets find out about this whole kahnawake thing(since its located only a little bit south of montreal). I asked around some locals and they said the KGC is a joke. I didn't understand why until finally someone told me.

The KGC is not governed by anyone or anything, any country, or any laws. The KGC is a sovereign government which pretty much means, these guys cried saying their land was stolen by white settlers, and now they want what is rightfully theirs, and to be able to live at peace outside of our country(in other words doing as they please).

The KGC claims to be good for their community but what they like to keep secret is, where the money goes, is a tight-knit group of "council men" or "tribe leaders" or whatever they got going now "Chief Lotsa-Dough" probably. Anyways its a group of old men and their sons who run the KGC. The building where the HUNDREDS of ILLEGAL gaming servers are located is far in their territory, and there is 2, yes 2, employees running the show at all times, with 2, yes 2, armed guards.

I am just curious is anyone here satisfied with such a high profile site like full tilt using such a shady, and frankly illegal, way to host their main server?

I know what peoples defense is going to be. "Where the servers are located, they aren't breaking any laws". This is true, except for the fact that A) the players using the server aren't from kahnawake B) the money being deposited and withdrawn is not being taxed on either end, and C) in both America and Canada it is illegal gamble online.

Now for the "illegal" rebuttle. Sure as a citizen of America or Canada, you have the right to do as you please, but if what you choose to do is illegal, the government has the right to punish you. As players, most of us aren't really doing anything wrong, thats not my argument. What my argument is the fact that millions, maybe even Billions, of my governments money(because that 20$ bill you're holding isn't really yours, its technically owned by the government that printed it, you are just borrowing it) is being taken out of the country illegally, and its where-abouts are unknown, this is money laundering.

KGC has still yet to release all the names and hand histories of the superuser accounts on Ultimate Bet, do we want the same people governing the site we play on? How hard would it be for them to superuser account on full tilt?? Would they just slam the multi million door on hundreds of customers like they did on UB?

Do people even care that while our countries suffer financially, sites like pokerstars post their highest profits ever?

EDIT: Also forgot, since these sites aren't regulated by anyone except scam artists, how hard would it be to imagine that pokerstars has 20,000 bot accounts running at all time. Who is going to stop them from doing this? The police? Howard Lederer?

Then the rebuttle, "why would they ruin such a good thing". Why didn't bill gates stop after he had 1 billion? Because greed is alive and well in this world? Maybe they would cheat us simply because they could, and it wouldn't make sense not to.

junkbutton · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: KGC...

JustPooOnDaFlo · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject:

www.fbi.gov

Go see if online poker/online gambling is legal.

You can gamble online, if the site is regulated by your federal or state government. Is stars ran by state of New York? Is tilt ran by the obama for president campaign?

Online gambling (what www.fulltiltpoker.com is) is against the federal law in your country, regardless of what greg raymer or annie duke told you.

JustPooOnDaFlo · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject:

Their defence is "poker is a game of skill, therefore it should not be classified as gambling", guess what? It is and always will be gambling. Regardless of how many times chris ferguson gets from 0 to 40k, on his own site, on his own program, that he helped write.

junkbutton · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject:

JustPooOnDaFlo · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject:

.... CEO of party poker had federal agents waiting for him when his plane touched down in America, he was indicted and had to pay something like 300 million back to Fat Lazy Americans who cried to their government after they found out it was "illegal".

I don't give a **** about the players, its the people who are running these sites. They are invisible, how can we not know who owns pokerstars/full tilt? Why do we have to just guess? Obviously they are scared of someone finding out who they are, either that, or they are cheating us and have no intention of becoming transparent until long after this is over with.

PJs Ronin · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject:

The problem is that the 'legality' of on line poker (in the USA) hasn't been firmly established. Sure, the FBI says it's illegal, but other departments within the DoJ and the IRS say otherwise, or say sufficient 'legalese claptrap' to confuse the issue.

Throw an entity like the KGC into the mix and it all becomes a mess.

cmbf117 · Straight Flush Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 485

Wait wait wait...you just NOW found out the Kahnawake Gaming Commission was run on an indian reservation? LMAO

BTW, running a gambling site (or hosting it live) for profit is against federal law. Playing is not. Playing may be against your state's law, and for that you have to check. But nobody's ever been prosecuted because it would be a major hassle to gather evidence against little joe 10c/25c, not to mention the kind of press they'd get...

Interestingly enough, your home game that you and your buddies play in where you pool $5 each and the winner gets it all is perfectly legal...but start charging them each an extra buck to play there and it becomes illegal.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Moderator Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 9542 Location: Mypos

Try to take their land, you'll find out the Kahnawake people are no joke. They'll mess you up.

CoAz Kid · Straight Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 116

alex j beeson · Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: KGC...

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