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Jasmine_A
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 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: Horse - Omaha / well below chip avg What would you do ? |
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PokerStars Game #29089721612: Tournament #167555466, $3.00+$0.30 HORSE (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit) - Level XII (400/800) - 2009/06/07 8:43:13 ET
Table '167555466 16' 8-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: lochinvar_68 (3560 in chips)
Seat 3: oako7 (13796 in chips)
Seat 4: TerrorChica (6640 in chips)
Seat 5: Runt Cash (3586 in chips) << Avg stack 7k
Seat 6: Le_Suricat (4738 in chips)
Seat 7: ybesiso (8712 in chips)
Seat 8: 1steyecu (7877 in chips)
Le_Suricat: posts small blind 200
ybesiso: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Runt Cash [Kc 2s Tc 3h] < Fold or try get somthing going
1steyecu: folds
lochinvar_68: calls 400
oako7: raises 400 to 800
TerrorChica: folds
Runt Cash: calls 800 << Decided to try get somthing going
Le_Suricat: folds
ybesiso: folds
lochinvar_68: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c Qs Ac]
Exactly the flop im looking for right ? well... pretty dam close ?
lochinvar_68: bets 400
oako7: raises 400 to 800
Runt Cash: raises 400 to 1200
lochinvar_68: raises 400 to 1600
Betting is capped
oako7: calls 800
Runt Cash: calls 400
*** TURN *** [6c Qs Ac] [9s]
lochinvar_68: bets 800
oako7: raises 800 to 1600
Runt Cash: calls 1186 and is all-in
lochinvar_68: calls 360 and is all-in
im thinking ive committed myself preflop with only 2700 odd left and 3k in the pot... so with the nut low and nut flush draw ive gotta start to put em all in post flop/turn ?
*** RIVER *** [6c Qs Ac 9s] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
oako7: shows [5h Ad As 7d] (HI: three of a kind, Aces)
Runt Cash: shows [Kc 2s Tc 3h] (HI: a pair of Kings)
oako7 collected 52 from side pot
lochinvar_68: shows [3d 4s 7h 3c] (HI: a pair of Threes)
oako7 collected 11280 from main pot
Drew a blank on river... but if i chose to play that hand and caught such a good flop i'm committed to see it out right ?
ne thoughts. |
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WhatASurprise
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I think this looks standard. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| WhatASurprise wrote: |
| Yeah, I think this looks standard. |
I disagree completely.
Fold PF. This is complete cheese and has little value. The only 3 occasions I can say it's worth playing is when you are short, as BB defense or when you are deep OTB and the blinds are real short. Also no need to jam the flop as you still have some pretty weak draws, not great overall equity. |
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Strasse
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Fold PF. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Zophar wrote: |
| Also no need to jam the flop as you still have some pretty weak draws, not great overall equity. |
As played, how is a NFD, nut low draw, and a gutshot a weak draw? Are we suppose to fold OTF, or flat and probably be up against another raise anyhow. If we flat, we have between 2 and 3 BB left.
I can't see folding this flop, so we might as well get it in, because once we at least flat the flop, we're commited to this hand. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Ahh, I thought it was rainbow. I guess, you do have to force it, but I'd rather have not gotten into the situation. |
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Jasmine_A
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys.
| Zophar wrote: |
Fold PF. This is complete cheese and has little value. The only 3 occasions I can say it's worth playing is when you are short, |
3500 at 200/400 with 270/540 razz up next is considered short enough to play a hand like this ? + the raiser was the big stack of the table and raising every pot |
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Strasse
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| Jasmine_A wrote: |
Thanks guys.
| Zophar wrote: |
Fold PF. This is complete cheese and has little value. The only 3 occasions I can say it's worth playing is when you are short, |
3500 at 200/400 with 270/540 razz up next is considered short enough to play a hand like this ? + the raiser was the big stack of the table and raising every pot |
No, you are trying to apply the NL rule of 10 big blinds to limit with 10 big bets, and they are very different. "Short" as zophar means it, I think would be less than 2 big bets. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| "Short" as zophar means it, I think would be less than 2 big bets. |
Pretty much. If I have 2 or more, I can wait for an AXXX to push. If it gets to razz, then a double up and you're in business as there's tons of dead money. |
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hojediade
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I'd probably fold PF to the raise. Then you have draws for high and low, but no need to raise there, IMO. Then the 9 on turn would have push me out of the hand.
Imo, you didn't choose the right spot even tho you were in best position. |
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