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itan-i-epitas
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 Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: Funny how short stacks always lose to the chip leader with the best hand preflop |
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I play about 5-8 hours a day for 3-6 days a week , either online or live games. I have seen hands and hands that frieked my out. I have come to the point to predict what cards all these sites will give their favoured players on turn and river. I play on three sites so they are all the same. My latest tourney where i was 4 spots from the money.
ME AA on small blind 68377 chips
Blinds 5000/10000
Everyone folds i raise 35000
Big blind 103555 chips
He calls
Flop A diamonds 9 spades 4 diamonds
I GO ALL IN
HE F'IN CALLS
HE HAS 5 diamonds J clubs
GUESS WHATS HAPPENS
TURN 2 DIAMONDS
RIVER 3 DIAMONDS.
Needless to say i had to buy a new computer |
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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The thing with poker is, chip leaders during the first 2/3 of a tournament are usually donks. Not all the time, but a lot of the time. The bigger the stack, the bigger (and luckier) the donk. They fall ***-backwards into chips by making bad plays. Chip leaders tend to fizzle near the end, because they run out of luck, and end up doubling-up too many players when they should be folding.
That's just the way it is, live and online. |
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Blackray
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Funny how short stacks always lose to the chip leader with the best hand preflop |
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| itan-i-epitas wrote: |
| Funny how short stacks always lose to the chip leader with the best hand preflop |
Never get shortstacked then, wtf you're doing something wrong.
| itan-i-epitas wrote: |
| I have come to the point to predict what cards all these sites will give their favoured players on turn and river. |
How the fudge aren't you printing money with this uber clairvoyance?? FAIAIAIAIAIAIL! |
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ohsnapzbrah
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Funny how short stacks always lose to the chip leader with the best hand preflop |
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| itan-i-epitas wrote: |
| I play about 5-8 hours a day for 3-6 days a week , either online or live games. I have seen hands and hands that frieked my out. I have come to the point to predict what cards all these sites will give their favoured players on turn and river. Needless to say i had to buy a new computer |
Get a life, its just poker. |
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TheGnomeBank
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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And I guess once again we can all divert the point of threads like this with random comments in the vain hope that no-one will notice?!!!
OP showed a valid hand and frankly an example of what goes on all the time in touneys.
OP's initial raise was sound and villain has absolutely no call at all holding J5o. It's utterly ridiculous. Flop then comes Ad 9s 4d and once again villain has no moves here whatsoever other than folding. He missed the board, there's an Ace overcard and he has hardly any cards to improve.
Yet he still calls the shove? !!!!
Proof (if proof were really needed - which it isn't!) that online poker is rigged to hell and back and players know it.
OP was hustled good and proper.
It's a shame he didn't list the actual players involved but I guarantee we would see that villain was a very regular player clocking up many hours on the site but yet is still losing badly. He knows that his big stack gives him a significant advantage and that the site will keep throwing him meaty morsels like this from time to time. |
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deadmeat82
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| OP was right, it is funny. |
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fletch_smf
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
| And I guess once again we can all divert the point of threads like this with random comments in the vain hope that no-one will notice?!!! |
It is good to have you back, Gnome.
We know bad beats happen. We all experience them.
| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
| OP showed a valid hand and frankly an example of what goes on all the time in touneys. |
A HH would show it. This is just heresay. BUT, assuming he posted a HH here, a single example proves nothing. Of course it goes on all the time where millions of hands are played every day. You know what else happens? The best hand holds up. Just because no-one is posting them in this forum doesn't mean that overwhelmingly the best hand wins.
| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
OP's initial raise was sound and villain has absolutely no call at all holding J5o. It's utterly ridiculous. Flop then comes Ad 9s 4d and once again villain has no moves here whatsoever other than folding. He missed the board, there's an Ace overcard and he has hardly any cards to improve.
Yet he still calls the shove? !!!! |
Yep he played it bad. Seen it a lot, and in most cases he loses. This time he didn't.
| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
| Proof (if proof were really needed - which it isn't!) that online poker is rigged to hell and back and players know it. |
A single instance doesn't prove anything, Gnome.
| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
| OP was hustled good and proper. |
OP bet half his stack pre when I think he should have shoved.
| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
| It's a shame he didn't list the actual players involved but I guarantee we would see that villain was a very regular player clocking up many hours on the site but yet is still losing badly. |
You willing to bet on that? Why?
| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
| He knows that his big stack gives him a significant advantage and that the site will keep throwing him meaty morsels like this from time to time. |
You don't know that he "knows" anything of the sort. |
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TheGnomeBank
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Fletch
Sorry to say that no diversion of any kind will hide from the discerning reader the fact that villain called a preflop raise (on the bubble) holding just J5o and then calls a subsequent shove on an A94 board with virtually no hope whatsoever of winning the hand. Why would he commit almost 1/3rd of his stack to this hand unless he:
1. Knew what all the board cards would be
2. Knew that the system would look after him no matter what cards he held
3. Knew that his big stack would give him an unfair advantage
There's just no getting away from this. |
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fletch_smf
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
Hi Fletch
Sorry to say that no diversion of any kind will hide from the discerning reader the fact that villain called a preflop raise (on the bubble) holding just J5o and then calls a subsequent shove on an A94 board with virtually no hope whatsoever of winning the hand. Why would he commit almost 1/3rd of his stack to this hand unless he:
1. Knew what all the board cards would be
2. Knew that the system would look after him no matter what cards he held
3. Knew that his big stack would give him an unfair advantage
There's just no getting away from this. |
Hey dude.
To suggest they are the only 3 reasons he would play the hand like this is very short sighted. If you want some insight into why some people play so bad, I suggest you head over to the Rail forum and read the LBS v Mikah thread. Mikah shows some very compelling examples of how people can play hands in a, let's say "unusual" way, and how they can justify to themselves that it is a good play.
You're also saying that the big stack knew he would win the hand, when there are many examples, and until someone shows otherwise, I would say more examples, of his hand losing in this spot. |
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phiNny
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| dude did you really tilt that hard that you have to buy a new computer? |
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aarosakura
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
Hi Fletch
Sorry to say that no diversion of any kind will hide from the discerning reader the fact that villain called a preflop raise (on the bubble) holding just J5o and then calls a subsequent shove on an A94 board with virtually no hope whatsoever of winning the hand. Why would he commit almost 1/3rd of his stack to this hand unless he:
1. Knew what all the board cards would be
2. Knew that the system would look after him no matter what cards he held
3. Knew that his big stack would give him an unfair advantage
There's just no getting away from this. |
Well,maybe he decided he thought that he had a small pocket pair and a jack would give him the win!? or maybe he thought maybe he had K high and both his cards were live. There are lots of reasons NOT on your list that can factor into things. |
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fletch_smf
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| phiNny wrote: |
| dude did you really tilt that hard that you have to buy a new computer? |
This, obv. Destroying your computer cause you got a bad beat in a $3 MTT is very -EV |
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alex j beeson
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| TheGnomeBank wrote: |
Why would he commit almost 1/3rd of his stack to this hand unless he:
1. Knew what all the board cards would be
2. Knew that the system would look after him no matter what cards he held
3. Knew that his big stack would give him an unfair advantage
There's just no getting away from this. |
I am looking at the OP and I can't find any info on the buy in or anything about this particular tourney the OP was in. Hell, it could be a FR for all I know.
As to why the villain played like this, there are lots more reasons beside what you listed. To think that you can determine what is in the mind of a person whom you don't even know, seen or even interacted with to your knowledge is kind of reaching pretty deep in it, would you not agree Gnome? Some other possible reasons-
*Hell, villain just might not care if he lost.
*Villain might have put Hero on a steal and decided to make a stand.
*Distracted by other games.
*Misclick. That **** happens, don't think it doesn't
*Misread his hand.
The list could go on and on. The point is, trying to say this particular villain was thinking only the three things you can imagine does not make it so. And to claim other wise would not be honest sir. Your paranoia is making you not think straight. Not to mention the limited information provided in the OP. The OP's previous actions observed by the villain could contribute as well. We just don't know what the villain was thinking. |
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