Online Poker Forum - Full Tilt Bans OPR from posting player rankings!!!!

Zarken_Ventreth

Message to All,

I just logged onto OPR (Official Poker Rankings) and the following message came up:

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 7265

When you get to a table with unknowns, you could look them up, decide based on their history if they're good or bad MTT players, and adjust your play accordingly. Thus, it could be used as a strategic tool and not just a ledger. Sharkscope faces some of the same issues. You get access to data on a player without playing them or observing them firsthand.

bigpairde · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:22 am Post subject:

ugh

it doesn't say anything bout my opponent though in term of how they play, as opposite to sides where you can buy HH and datamine.

opr only shows whether or not you are a winning or loosing player at tourneys, and what tourneys you played with the according results.

Zarken_Ventreth · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

IA,

Thank you for your reply to my post. I still do not understand how this provides a clear and distinct advantage for one player over another. With so many sites tracking the play of online players (by screen name) and Shark Scope, as you mentioned, being just one of these... is Full Tilt planning to terminate the access to player history from all of these sites as well? It would seem to be unfair to ban one without banning all. Thanks again for the rapid reply. Best of luck to you at the tables.

Zark

Zarken_Ventreth · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:

De,

Thanks for your reply to the post. Did you use OPR regularly? Just curious.

Zark

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 7265

Let's assume I've sat down at the table and I OPR/Sharkscope my opponents. Opponents who are winning players will most likely have a good understanding of the subtleties of tournament play, meaning I can make different plays against them because they'll be thinking on a level enough to understand what I'm doing. Opponents who are losing players will most likely have a poorer understanding of tournament play, and thus I can use that information to my advantage. Where a good winning tournament player might make a certain play, a losing player would do the opposite. This gives me a read on an opponent that, combined with my observation at the table, gives me an unfair advantage (provided they didn't look me up).

Not saying I agree with blocking access, just that I can kind of understand the logic.

Zarken_Ventreth · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:46 am Post subject:

IA,

That is a fair assessment. If that is the case, however, what about all of the sites where people have paid a premium/fee to have access to this same information? Are you aware of Full Tilt's plan in regard to shutting down access to those sites as well? With the issues with pay for US players and other things going on with Full Tilt right now... don't you think this is a bit of poor timing? Just curious as to your thoughts on the matter. Thanks again for your rapid replies to my inquiry.

Zark

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 7265

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs.php

They do have a policy against shared databases. The problem is, catching the offenders. Pokertracker is an allowed program. How can they know where the data in my PT database came from?

Note: I'm only playing Devil's Advocate here. I don't have a PT database with hands I didn't play.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Moderator Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 9059 Location: Mypos

Kudos to FTP for banning OPR. Sharkscope should be next. The only info on players I should be able to analyze is info I obtained myself, through hh files where I played with that person.

Zarken_Ventreth · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:02 am Post subject:

IA and Boy,

Agreed... I have not paid for any of the premium services that are said to provide such info. My only player tracking is done through notes and color codes for those whom I have played against. Simple and as straight forward as one can get.

One of the features I did enjoy, however, from OPR was to see how some of my friends had been running over the past week. It is difficult to catch up with many of them as they are spread over so many different time zones. OPR was simply a easy way to check on my own improvement/or lack of same and to see how other FTP poker acquaintances were running over the past week or so.

I suppose this one will just be the beginning of many closures of access to Full Tilt player data. Is this a safe assumption?

Zark

Kam1972 · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:12 am Post subject:

I find the ban on OPR pretty stupid to be honest. The idea that a winning player is good, and a losing one will play bad makes anyone using that as a guideline more a donkey than anything else to be truthful. Sure if they have a massive long history of winning maybe, but I've seen plenty of players on OPR with +ROI's that play horrible poker. I really can't see anyone seriously making an accessment on how a person is going to play based solely on looking them up on OPR.

To decide it's enough of an edge to think it needs banning is in my view a bit of a joke, as really it's not going to shape how you play a person that much in truth. What you see as you play the table does that. Can people honestly say they form a game plan based on someones OPR rating?

feihua · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:26 am Post subject:

I think it was a good move.

Before I would be against such a move.

But then I blocked my own stats from viewing, including mine.

And I was a better player for it.

It wasn't necessarily good to see what history pointed out the fish to be......it was better that I kept my mind on my game rather than the other person's game.

Because I hid my stats, it is a non-issue to me. But also because I hid my stats, I can see where it is obviously a tool for those who wish to use it as one.

Bottom line: you don't need it.

feihua · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:28 am Post subject:

Ohhhhhhh......because the other thread is locked and you think it is good because you can track your own play?

Here:

http://www.pokerprolabs.com/topshark/

It doesn't include private tournaments but it works kind of like a combination of Sharkscope and OPR. Full Tilt hasn't reached it, yet, I don't believe.

Sand Wedge_100 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1520

The gotta ban sharkscope and their OWN LEADERBOARDS too IMO
I'm really pissed about this.
I really dont depend on it but I get a kick out of those guys that are playing every-other pot with a -30% ROI.

drewg22 · Full House Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 234

Terrible decision. As long as the service is free and open to everyone, I don't see how it gives an unfair advantage.

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