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pennstatejake High Card
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: officialpokerrankings.com ban |
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I think its just ridiculous. The only advantage that comes from OPR is knowing how good or how bad your opponents have played in the past. The thing is though, you can still use pokertracker and sharkscope. (both of which you must pay for) makes me wonder if FT is getting money from the two companies/sites for making this move. this is a great tool to use to track to see if there is collusion. could FT be trying to cover up inside collusion???
I use OPR to track my own progress and my friends progress. if people are taking the time to look up other players at their table they are missing the play and its probably a bit of a disadvantage. I really enjoying challenging myself to increase my ROI and seeing if im best at MTT's and SNGs b/c its very difficult to tell otherwise. I think i'll just play on pokerstars if they continue to block OPR. At the very least they could set up their own database similar so you can only track yourself, or track yourself and track friends progress with a day in between requesting to track them and actually seeing their stats to take away from any potential advantage.
do you think anyone actually complained to FT? They would have emailed FT and say: I am losing b/c people are looking me up and see that I'm bad. Then they know I'm a weak player.
just ridiculous.
I encourage everyone to flood FT's emailbox at support@fulltiltpoker.com and complain and make them change this. At the very least block pokertracker and sharkscope too. OPR has to be steaming over this. |
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UFO1947 Take me2 ur Chip Leader
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 5324 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Penn, how many times have you seen someone use OPR stats against someone at the table?
there's your answer. |
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lenny_bruce Message Board Junkie
Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 1373
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see a reason to ban the use of either site, as long as they allow people to block others from seeing their stats if they choose. |
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thejuanupsman High Card
Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 17
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| FT is my favorite site to play on but I will likely play here less if this decision stands. |
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x_Danno_x High Card
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I really enjoy tracking my stats. I will also change sites if this stands. |
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Ike1957 High Card
Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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After 2 years on Full Tilt,starting as a complete novice I found OPR very useful in tracking my own stats to see how I was improving month to month,as well as looking up other players in tourney play to get some idea about their skill level.Since everyone could have access to OPR I dont see how this was a problem.Its no different than chatting with players in a casino about other players in a tourney,or watching poker on TV and hearing the commentators give their opinions about various players.Very disappointed with this decision and I will have to think about whether to take my online poker dollars to another site. [/b] |
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Kam1972 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 2181 Location: Lady Luck's house asking nicely for favouritism.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| UFO1947 wrote: |
Penn, how many times have you seen someone use OPR stats against someone at the table?
there's your answer. |
You really think not having someones stats will stop people abusing other players? Get real. Some might use OPR stats as an extra weapon to add to their insults, but without them they will still be telling people they suck etc.
The whole ban OPR thing is just pretty pointless, and I truely don't believe it has been banned for the reasons being claimed, as people get WAY more benefit from tools like PT3 and Holdem manager etc in my opinoin than they ever will off general stats that are shown on OPR.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want things being used that give unfair advantages, but as I'm a player and don't give a toss about who sees my OPR stats and know that goes for likely about 90% of the player population I don't buy this is the reason it has been banned. If there is any advantage to seeing someone stats on OPR it is very, very small, but its also not unfair because the option is there for any to use it. Not to mention you can if you wish have them block your data from being viewed if you are that worried about people seeing your stats.
I can honestly say I looked up quite a few people while playing at tables just for something to do sometimes, but I can also say I've never ever formed a game plan on how to play them based on it, as that would be very stupid poker. I may get an idea they suck, or they can play some what by their stats, but I'll get that information pretty damn quick playing them as well, so see no real benefit that should be causing concern.
I shall miss trying to improve my own rating if the ban stands, as I loved setting myself targets and trying to achieve a better rating. |
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KoacNation High Card
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see how they can justify having their own leader boards, and yet feel that the outside ones are giving an unfair advantage. All their arguments fall flat with this fact.
The whole thing is ridiculous. No one would go to those sites if FT did the same thing on their own site.
How is it I have to go to an outside source to get my own tourney history? Sure, I could write it down, but for the 10% rake on tourneys . . . me thinks they should provide the data storage for such info.
I sent an email about this tonight and got back a response in minutes, a standard one since I guess they are getting a lot of complaints.
And I hate to sound like an elitist, but for all the brains it takes to be a good poker player, if I had a nickle for every poker writer/poster who typed "loosing" when they meant "losing" I would be able to retire. just a major pet peeve of mine.
otherwise, I love FT. just find the lack of your own playing history to be a glaring problem . . . that clearly the market has filled to the disappointment of FT. I would never have sought out OPR is FT had the same info! |
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Pete D Pistol Pete
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 1716 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Kam1972 wrote: |
| The whole ban OPR thing is just pretty pointless, and I truely don't believe it has been banned for the reasons being claimed, as people get WAY more benefit from tools like PT3 and Holdem manager etc in my opinoin than they ever will off general stats that are shown on OPR. |
I agree, there's gotta be something more to this.
It's fairly absurd to say players have an unfair advantage by using it for the reasons stated by others... yeah, I see that Player X has final tabled a high percentage of times, but I have no idea what style they have until I witness it myself.
It would be like having Ivey, Negreanu & Lederer at your final table, all w/ disguises on to protect their identity. Ok, I look up their stats and see that they're all profitable/winning tournament players... big deal, now what? I have no idea who plays which style (until I see it first hand).
Although I don't play many tournies, I'm very disappointed in this decision. I enjoy looking up my own stats and sometimes go back and see who I was up against. For example, I final tabled a $26 PLO tourney about 12-18 mos ago... later found out the winner was Yuval "yuvee04" Bronshtein... this was well before I knew who he was (before his back to back FTOPS wins last year). Without OPR, I never would have known this.
Please FT, reverse your decision... or at the very least, create your own database so that we can at least look up our own tourney history. I know, I know... don't hold my breath. |
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PinkSharkMark High Card
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 10
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| otherwise, I love FT. just find the lack of your own playing history to be a glaring problem . . . that clearly the market has filled to the disappointment of FT. I would never have sought out OPR if FT had the same info! |
Exactly so... there would be no need for OPR if Full Tilt had a decent database of past tourneys available to its members.
I see some others have made some good points I hadn't even thought of. For example, players looking for sponsors to bankroll them can point to their OPR records to back their claims of prowess, then the sponsors can track the play of their patrons to be sure they are playing as many tourneys as they are supposed to. Sponsored players cannot hide winnings from their sponsors, either.
The more I read this thread, the more absurd Full Tilt's claims become. So far, no one has posted any kind of plausible argument pointing out who is being harmed by OPR's publication of this information, especially when you consider these two major points:
- the information is available to anyone and everyone, and is available for free. No subscription required.
- anyone who does not wish to have his/her stats published can have OPR immediately scrub his/her information, again, for free. OPR has never failed to honor a single request of this nature.
I am not one who is given to conspiracy theories, so I am not ready yet to join some of the people here in claiming there is some kind of hidden motive for this move by Full Tilt other than their stated claim that it is to protect the Full Tilt membership from being taken advantage of. However, it is pretty hard for me to believe the decision-makers at Full Tilt are unaware of every point made so far in this thread, so I can only express my bafflement at this decision. It really doesn't seem to square with their stated reasons. |
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TheFlashOne Banned
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 341
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I use OPR purely to track my own stats and I find it keeps me disciplined to play within my bankroll.
After a solid session I was always very keen to go back over the stats to see how I was doing - what games were going well for me etc etc. To have a free site to do this was great.
I am COMPETELY BEMUSED by this decisoion and there is CLEARLY a hidden agenda here.
I really like the FT platform but this decsion could be enough to see me hitting PS or one of the others as my first choice - purely on moral grounds.
FT - please re-consider.. I think you'll find a lot of players are in the same boat as me and use OPR as a tool to track their own progress only.
As others have mentioned - you CAN HIDE your stats if requested so this makes the decsion that much more bizarre. |
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nekotec I Hate Min-Raises
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 1314 Location: Mexico
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| i dont like this decision either but i guess its fair cause some players have no idea about this sites. It does give an advantage (very small one) but it is an advantage. I hope they revoke this decision but i cant be too mad with full tilt for doing this. |
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TheFlashOne Banned
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 341
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| i dont like this decision either but i guess its fair cause some players have no idea about this sites. It does give an advantage (very small one) but it is an advantage. I hope they revoke this decision but i cant be too mad with full tilt for doing this. |
So why cant FT send a blanket email informing all its players that their stats are available on OPR?? Then it's all fair.
And what about Sharkscope?? Why is this still available??
The adnantage you get from seeing someones tourney rankings and P&L is negligable IMHO. |
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Zarken_Ventreth Full House
Joined: 09 May 2009 Posts: 160 Location: High in the Mountains
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Hear Hear All...
Keep 'em coming. If we heat up this thread enough someone at FTP has to notice!!!
Thanks to all for your replies and for your opinions.
Best of luck to you at the tables, wherever you decide to play.
Zark |
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craigo6x Mr. Met
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 4145 Location: Cursing the relievers in the bullpen
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| disappointing-on my mac don't have any tracking software so the only way I tracked my stats and other's here was OPR. |
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